Konvas List Discussions: Apr 2001 - Aug 2001
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From patrick Tue Apr 3 04:31:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: For Sale:200mm Lens for 2M
From: patrick Steele
Date: Apr 02, 2001 21:31 PDT
Hey gang,
Need some pennies for my Kinor! I cleaned out the closet the other day and
found an older 200mm Lomo prime that I no longer shoot with (as I have a
newer one). It is for sale; if you're interested in seeing it, go to
http://home.sprynet.com/~karmitz/200mm.htm
It has the Oct-19 lens mount for the 2M.
Let me know if you have any questions.
All the Best,
Patrick
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From sisebonproductions at poetic.com Mon Apr 9 23:49:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: sound blimp
From: sisebonproductions at poetic.com
Date: Apr 09, 2001 16:49 PDT
hello!
does anyone know where or how we can blimp the konvas 1M camera? we
would most appreciate your input.
regards,
s.p.
From Lee Tue Apr 10 17:38:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: sound blimp
From: Lee Gaither
Date: Apr 10, 2001 10:38 PDT
In a message dated 4/9/01 5:48:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sisebonproductions at poetic.com writes:
<< does anyone know where or how we can blimp the konvas 1M camera? we
would most appreciate your input.
>>
We manufacture Sound Barneys for these Russian Cameras;
Konvas 2m 15Ep and 17EP Motor 200' and 400" magazine
Konvas 3
Kinor 35H which Patrick Steele says is the same as 9KCH and Hollywood Camera
Star 35.
We do not have patterns for the Konvas 1 but will be glad to work with you on
making same.
Blimps and Sound Barneys are different. The Blimp has a hard outer casing,
metal or of some type of plastic, which is lined with a sound deadener. A
Sound Barney is soft in construction with a soft, leather, fabric or vinyl,
outer material and sound deadener liner. If you are interested please contact
Lee Gaither
Custom Upholstery Products
17112 Strathern St.
Van Nuys, CA 91406
Tele 818 342-8980
Fax 818 344-8474
e-mail cupcamera at aol.com
From sisebonproductions at poetic.com Tue Apr 10 18:07:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: matte box for 1M
From: sisebonproductions at poetic.com
Date: Apr 10, 2001 11:07 PDT
hello everyone!
we just wanted to know if there were any places where we could purchase
a matte for a 1M.
many thanks!
s.p.
From sisebonproductions at poetic.com Tue Apr 10 18:09:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: service for konvas cameras
From: sisebonproductions at poetic.com
Date: Apr 10, 2001 11:09 PDT
hello!
yet another question: where on the east coast (specifically in the New
York/Philadelphia) area can we have our konvas serviced?
thanks,
s.p.
From Wylie Tue Apr 10 20:36:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Orwo Film Stock
From: Wylie Sammy F Civ 88 ABW/LCMPS/MPPL
Date: Apr 10, 2001 13:36 PDT
List Members:
I just spoke to Ed Stachler, the ORWO distributor in the USA, and he is going to check with the factory in Germany to see if they can supply the ORWO UN54 (ISO 100) and N74 (ISO 400) negative filmstocks on Russian film cores. He seemed to think this possible, as ORWO does a lot of business in Russia.
In any event, I will let you know what transpires. I would like to make use of my 200 ft. (60m) mags rather than just keep them for spare parts for the 400 ft. (122m) mags!
Anyone know of a good source for lots of used Konvas cores? He suggested that it might be respooled at the factory as a last resort...
S. Frank Wylie
Laboratory Supervisor
Library of Congress
Motion Picture Preservation Laboratory
All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent the official view of the Library of Congress
From l.camak at att.net Tue Apr 10 20:43:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Film spools
From: l.camak at att.net
Date: Apr 10, 2001 13:43 PDT
Brent Finley was gonna make several of these up at one
time. Brent, are you online these days...haven't heard
from you in awhile?
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> I just spoke to Ed Stachler, the ORWO distributor in the USA, and he is going to
> check with the factory in Germany to see if they can supply the ORWO UN54 (ISO
> 100) and N74 (ISO 400) negative filmstocks on Russian film cores. He seemed to
> think this possible, as ORWO does a lot of business in Russia.
>
> In any event, I will let you know what transpires. I would like to make use of
> my 200 ft. (60m) mags rather than just keep them for spare parts for the 400 ft.
> (122m) mags!
>
> Anyone know of a good source for lots of used Konvas cores? He suggested that
> it might be respooled at the factory as a last resort...
>
> S. Frank Wylie
> Laboratory Supervisor
> Library of Congress
> Motion Picture Preservation Laboratory
>
> All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent the official view of the
> Library of Congress
>
>
From Jeff Tue Apr 10 21:14:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Film spools
From: Jeff Kreines
Date: Apr 10, 2001 14:14 PDT
l.camak at att.net wrote:
>Brent Finley was gonna make several of these up at one
>time. Brent, are you online these days...haven't heard
>from you in awhile?
I've never seen one -- don't own a Konvas -- but with modern CNC
machining, if you were to order 100 or more at a time, such a part could
be made pretty cheaply out of either aluminum or delrin. Not so cheap
that you can let the lab lose them, though!
Any possibility of an adapter instead, to permit standard cores? Or,
better, a permanent mod for the mags, so that new cores aren't needed?
Seems a better way to go long-term.
From Jeff Tue Apr 10 22:09:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Orwo Film Stock
From: Jeff Kreines
Date: Apr 10, 2001 15:09 PDT
Wylie Sammy F Civ 88 ABW/LCMPS/MPPL wrote:
>I just spoke to Ed Stachler, the ORWO distributor in the USA, and he is
>going to check with the factory in Germany to see if they can supply the
>ORWO UN54 (ISO 100) and N74 (ISO 400) negative filmstocks on Russian film
>cores
Frank:
Any notion of whether they'll also import 16mm stocks? And any idea if
they have better lubricity than Ilford stocks?
(See the recent CML discussions of Lubricity testing and Kodak.)
Jeff "not slippery enough" Kreines
From Brent Wed Apr 11 01:42:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Film spools
From: Brent Finley
Date: Apr 10, 2001 18:42 PDT
I'm here Lael, but I'm busy with other stuff. My Konvas 1M is the least of my worries
right now...
I've decided my first aerial 35mm cam will be the Arri IIC medical. I'm fitting it
with a custom motor/controller from Maxon (a swiss company) Rare Earth Magnets and an
optical tach/encoder and placing the motor in a configuration like the arri 16s. That
way it'll be light and low... perfect for skydiving.
I might decide to sell the 1M. I still need a controller for it. Does anyone have
any electrical specs for it?
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> > I just spoke to Ed Stachler, the ORWO distributor in the USA, and he is going to
> > check with the factory in Germany to see if they can supply the ORWO UN54 (ISO
> > 100) and N74 (ISO 400) negative filmstocks on Russian film cores. He seemed to
> > think this possible, as ORWO does a lot of business in Russia.
> >
> > In any event, I will let you know what transpires. I would like to make use of
> > my 200 ft. (60m) mags rather than just keep them for spare parts for the 400 ft.
> > (122m) mags!
> >
> > Anyone know of a good source for lots of used Konvas cores? He suggested that
> > it might be respooled at the factory as a last resort...
> >
> > S. Frank Wylie
> > Laboratory Supervisor
> > Library of Congress
> > Motion Picture Preservation Laboratory
> >
> > All opinions expressed are my own and do not represent the official view of the
> > Library of Congress
> >
> >
>
From Frank Wed Apr 11 01:46:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Film spools
From: Frank Wylie
Date: Apr 10, 2001 18:46 PDT
At 04:13 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I've never seen one -- don't own a Konvas -- but with
modern CNC
>machining, if you were to order 100 or more at a
time, such a part could
>be made pretty cheaply out of either aluminum or
delrin. Not so cheap
>that you can let the lab lose them, though!
>
>Any possibility of an adapter instead, to permit
standard cores? Or,
>better, a permanent mod for the mags, so that new
cores aren't needed?
>Seems a better way to go long-term.
Jeff,
Maybe with Estar-based stock, you could use a very
thin walled 3/4" core
and make 200' fit into the mag; will have to
experiment to see. I have a
Sherline lathe at work and will try turning down a
core to see how it works.
As for the CNC route...maybe. These cores look like
little more than 1/2
to 5/8" tubing with a "C" shaped slot cut into them;
film clips under the
tongue of the "C". Might be better to source out some
tubing and try to
improvise. The metal appears to be almost a pot-metal
or pewter-type alloy.
I'll try to scan in some photos tomorrow and send them
to you.
Cheers.
====
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From Frank Wed Apr 11 01:48:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Orwo Film Stock
From: Frank Wylie
Date: Apr 10, 2001 18:48 PDT
At 05:08 PM 4/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Frank:
>
>Any notion of whether they'll also import 16mm
stocks? And any idea if
>they have better lubricity than Ilford stocks?
Jeff,
Yes, he will import 16mm as well.
As for lubricity, I can only go by the Finegrain stock
we use on a regular
basis; DP-3. It appears to work as well as EK stock,
but we mainly use it
in contact printers, so that's not much help. The
data sheets seem to
imply that the stocks are available in both acetate
and polyester bases, so
if you have lubricity problems (in your camera,
ahem!), then the poly
should slip right through.
Now that we have used about 10K feet of the DP-3, I
can heartily recommend
it for a good quality image. It has a different look
than EK 5366 and
2366; a bit more contrasty at equal gammas, but with
a richer, deeper
look. Almost looks like the old EK, thick-emulsion
stocks in a way. If
you use DP-3, you'll have to play with it a bit. We
had to go a ways off
of our normal setup for finegrain processing to hit
the right gamma, so you
might have to boost your developer energy a bit.
As for archival quality, I cannot comment right now,
so we are striking
dupe negs off of the ORWO instantly as a precautionary
measure.
Within batch consistency seems very good, but batch to
batch transitions
require careful testing to maintain your target
densities. We process to
1.40 gamma for our fine grains and to me, it looks
like a 1.50 to 1.55
gamma EK fine grain.
Enough yammering.
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From matt Wed Apr 11 03:17:00 2001
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Subject: I hate the 200 foot Mags!
From: matt uhry
Date: Apr 10, 2001 20:17 PDT
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I put a little pin in the take up side so it will drive a standard Kodak core.
that was easy, but to use the 200 ft mags which using standard core wound
raw film loads hold much less than 200 ft, more like 150, if that. I just have
lots of nasty jams with them. Mine are pretty much for parts at this point. I
am sick of that perf tearing film piling up sound and the chaos that follows.
Attached is a picture of the Konvas at work on a commercial for
"Working Assets" long distance company.
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From Steven Wed Apr 11 14:38:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Orwo Film Stock
From: Steven E. Fick
Date: Apr 11, 2001 07:38 PDT
What is the contact information for purchasing ORWO stocks in the US?
--Steven
From Jason Wed Apr 11 15:43:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: I hate the 200 foot Mags!
From: Jason
Date: Apr 11, 2001 08:43 PDT
On 10 Apr 01, at 20:16, matt uhry wrote:
> I put a little pin in the take up side so it will drive a standard Kodak core.
> that was easy, but to use the 200 ft mags which using standard core wound
> raw film loads hold much less than 200 ft, more like 150, if that. I just have
> lots of nasty jams with them. Mine are pretty much for parts at this point. I
> am sick of that perf tearing film piling up sound and the chaos that follows.
Less than 200 is correct, I find. I couldn't get the mag to work until I
reduced the load to about 170. I did get the 200's to work if I took
care with forming loops (the bottom a little larger) and after fitting the
mag, hand-advancing the camera several frames to get the perfs
lined-up with the claw. Even so, I'll stick to the 400's unless doing
steadycam work (which I might try this summer).
From Brent Sat Apr 14 02:44:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Thinking of selling my 1M
From: Brent Finley
Date: Apr 13, 2001 19:44 PDT
I had traded my 15EP motor controller away for a 400 foot mag, thinking
I'd buy the 60 fps capable motor from slomotion inc. I was going to use
the camera skydiving.
I have since decided I'm going to get rid of it.
It has:
15 EPmotor (no controller)
2 - 200 foot mags
1 - 400 foot mag
lenses - Lomo 28, 35, 50, 75 All with no scuffs on the glass.
1 - Original Case.
Any reasonable offers?
Trades? I'm looking for a Zeiss 18mm lens for Arriflex or will take an
Arri IIC body.
Brent
From Jeff Sat Apr 14 04:19:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Thinking of selling my 1M
From: Jeff Kreines
Date: Apr 13, 2001 21:19 PDT
Brent Finley wrote:
>Trades? I'm looking for a Zeiss 18mm lens for Arriflex or will take an
>Arri IIC body.
I may have a spare 18mm Superspeed in Arri B mount (already modded for PL
adapter by Panavision UK). Not sure I need a 1M, but if you have a
picture to send... maybe...
From patrick Wed Apr 25 04:25:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Commiecam Website Update
From: patrick Steele
Date: Apr 24, 2001 21:25 PDT
Hi Friends!
Just a quick note to let you know I updated the Commiecam website this week.
I've done some light stuff and spruced up the pages a bit. A MAJOR set of
additions is coming soon, so check back! Here is what's new:
* I added a page devoted to the Rodina.
* There's a manufacturers reference page now, thanks to Erkan Umut.
* I added a few details to the "How to Thread the konvas Magazine" page.
*Updated the camera modification section as well to include video taps and
Slow Motion Inc's Kinoflex.
* I've added a few new photos to the "commiecam in action" page.
Remember: this is just as much your site as mine. If you have anything you
care to submit for inclusion on the site, by all means send it in.
All the Best,
Patrick
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From Jeff Wed Apr 25 04:37:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Commiecam Website Update
From: Jeff Kreines
Date: Apr 24, 2001 21:37 PDT
patrick Steele wrote:
>
>Just a quick note to let you know I updated the Commiecam website this week.
But what's the URL? ;-)
From patrick Wed Apr 25 14:33:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Commiecam Website Update
From: patrick Steele
Date: Apr 25, 2001 07:33 PDT
Jeff,
Details, details! Frank W. warned me about you!
The URL is http://homepage.mac.com/karmitz/commiecam.htm
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From patrick Sat Apr 28 17:52:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: More Commiecam Updates
From: patrick Steele
Date: Apr 28, 2001 10:52 PDT
Yep, there are even more things added/revised on the Commiecam page. Here's
an overview:
Olexandr provided some OCT-19 to Arri PL mount conversion information
Exploded views/cross-sections of the Konvas 1M/2M mechanics/optics
Konvas Motor Reference Page
Some information on tripods and heads is now online
I added a page devoted to the Rodina.
Ê
There's a manufacturers reference page now, thanks to Erkan Umut.
I added a few details to the "How to Thread the konvas Magazine" page.
And there's even more stuff to come. If interested, please visit:
http://homepage.mac.com/karmitz/commiecam.htm
All the Best,
Patrick
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From Lee Sun Apr 29 16:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: More Commiecam Updates
From: Lee Gaither
Date: Apr 29, 2001 09:34 PDT
In a message dated 4/28/01 10:52:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
stillsight at hotmail.com writes:
<< http://homepage.mac.com/karmitz/commiecam.htm
>>
Looking better all the time. Thanks for your recommendation on the sound
barney.
Lee
From Peter Tue May 8 22:18:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Spring loaded flap
From: Peter Ormrod
Date: May 08, 2001 15:18 PDT
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Simple question; what is the spring loaded flap, just to the right of
the gate, on the exterior body for?
Regards
Peter
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From Jay Wed May 9 20:05:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Spring loaded flap
From: Jay
Date: May 09, 2001 13:05 PDT
On 9 May 01, at 0:07, Peter Ormrod wrote:
It's for a bloop light...
>
>
> Simple question; what is the spring loaded flap, just to the right of the gate, on the exterior body for?
>
> Regards
>
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From sisebonproductions at poetic.com Sat May 12 14:32:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Introduction
From: sisebonproductions at poetic.com
Date: May 12, 2001 07:32 PDT
hello everyone! i just wanted to take this time to formally introduce
myself to the group. i have been quite busy of late and now have a
chance to tell you all a little about myself. my name is dominga
rosalita and i purchased a konvas camera about a month ago. i don't
know much about it (aside from what lael, patrick and lee have been kind
enough to tell me) about the camera, but i fully intend to get to know
it as many of you probably do. i am a part of a small production
company based in philadelphia (thus the long email address)and we are in
the pre-production process of making an indie film. if any of you have
information or insight that you wish to share with me about the konvas,
please do so. thank you for your time. kindest regards, d.r.
From Brent Mon May 14 13:58:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: motor speed stability on 15ep
From: Brent Finley
Date: May 14, 2001 06:58 PDT
Dear Konvas Users,
I have a 15ep motor controller setup that seems to work fine when the little
+/- switch is in the + position. When it is in the '-' position, the motor
starts up and then starts to slowly speed up. Does anyone know what this
little +/- switch is for? If it's to take some sort of external sync on the
4 pin connector (unused) then I fully understand why there is no speed
stability at that setting.
Thanks,
Brent
From Viktor Mon May 21 12:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Anamorphic lens for 1M
From: Viktor
Date: May 21, 2001 05:04 PDT
Hi!
I am selling an anamorphic lens on Ebay auction
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1238537335
All questions in Wednesday, plese. I must leave today.
Good luck!
From Vasily Tue Jun 19 04:21:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: test
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Jun 18, 2001 21:21 PDT
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From matt Tue Jun 19 05:05:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas news
From: matt uhry
Date: Jun 18, 2001 22:05 PDT
Anyone got any Konvas News?
"Nupur" (shot entirely on the Konvas) won an Award in Rochester.
It has played in Dallas (award), Los Angeles, Taos and Missisippi
"Mission" not shot on a Konvas but using Lomo anamorphic lenses
just showed in Pasadena at the Method Fest. Lots of Audience comments
about how good it looked.
I figured out how to tighten the zoom/aperature index scale on the Lomo
20-120
zoom. If anyone else is having this same problem email me and I'll try
to guide
you. It was the most serious flaw in a lens that I really liked.
I was Just in Prague on a commercial. They have no love for Russian
cameras
there. I ended up renting an Arri 435.
You guys who have these cool cameras - go a shoot something!!! Make
movies Comrades! Make an astonishing, bizzare, and beautiful 35mm
films.
Matt
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From Peter Tue Jun 19 08:19:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: movies
From: Peter Ormrod
Date: Jun 19, 2001 01:19 PDT
Comrade Matt ,
thank you for the encouragement. Sometimes we workers need a kick up the
backsideski.
I plan to shoot "European Union" a movie set here in Brussels, later this
year.
BTW I have a contact in the Commission - a russian cameraman who reportedly
knows the Konwas very well.
My website for the project is www.kinekanaal.org
It is under construction but I hope to stream rushes as they are shot.
Any help appreciated. How about visiting Belgium for a working holiday.
"joy through work" as A.H. used to say.
I am working on a blimp for the at M using Dynamat material.
Peter
From Christian Tue Jun 19 14:18:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas news
From: Christian Locke
Date: Jun 19, 2001 07:18 PDT
Hi Matt,
I shot last week a commercial on a Konvas from a rental in Berlin
(Kamerapool)
The spot is about the greatest techno-festival in East-Germany, shown in
some weeks in 250 cinemas all around in Germany.
The camera we used is strong modified, has an fantastic electronic, the
mount is changed to Arri-PL. In Moscou they modified the transport with a
registartion pin.
The pin was on the oposite side of the claw.
In result the camera has a very stable picture but is now extremly loud
(with 24f/s nearly 60 db, with 60 f/s near to 70 db)
So this camera can only be used asd a non-sound camera.We tryed to blimb the
camera,
but there was no chance.
But at least i must say, that I get the camera for a very fair price and we
needn´t live-sound ....
at least I´ll send you a link to the rental in Berlin
Greetings from Cologne, Germany
Christian
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From patrick Tue Jun 19 14:20:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas news
From: patrick Steele
Date: Jun 19, 2001 07:20 PDT
Hi Matt, Peter and everyone else!
I've been really busy as of late, so I 've had little time to update the website or stay in contact. There have been a couple of interesting developments for me:
I just received the bulk of my Kinor 35H package from Viktor Nikityuk--it is a SWEET camera! I love it! Very quiet, flexible and ready to go. In fact, I plan on shooting the remaining inserts and cutaways for my short film with this very camera in a week. Already shot test footage with it, and the results were impressive. Btw, it came with the 20-120 zoom Matt spoke of--I agree, it's a really nice lens. I'm very happy with it. Will post some photos of this kit on my site soon, in case anyone is interested.
Got to see a curiously modified Konvas 2M made by Ostcam. It belongs to Matt Zatkoff, a young filmmaker fron Indiana--he brought it by for me to see. It uses a modified motor housing instead of the 17EP motor/handgrip. This motor encapsulates the drive shaft of the camera in a big block. On the other side, where the tachometer usually sits is a digital readout of framerate that is adjustable to .1fps. Additionally, his camera came with an intervalometer, which I think would be an incredibly useful tool to some of us out there. Again, I shot pics of this camera and will be posting them soon.
I currently have a large quantity of 5A fuses for the 17EP motor. If anyone needs a few, I'd be happy to send some out very inexpensively. Just contact me and let me know. My email is stillsight at hotmail.com
Glad to see many new subscribers for this list. Let us know who you are! We don't bite...much.
All the Best,
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From patrick Tue Jun 19 14:23:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas news #2
From: patrick Steele
Date: Jun 19, 2001 07:23 PDT
Oops!
Forgot a couple of tidbits:
Matt Zatkoff's camera is modified to accept Nikon mount lenses, has a registration pin modification and was modified to shoot Super 35.
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From Christian Wed Jun 20 13:55:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas news
From: Christian Locke
Date: Jun 20, 2001 06:55 PDT
Hi Matt, in follwing the Web-side-Adress from the Konvas-rental in Berlin
´www.goscope.net´
Greetings from Cologne,
Christian
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From Lee Wed Jun 20 22:35:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: goscope
From: Lee Gaither
Date: Jun 20, 2001 15:35 PDT
What type of camera is shown on web page of gosccope?
Camera Cover
From Christian Thu Jun 21 10:43:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: goscope
From: Christian Locke
Date: Jun 21, 2001 03:43 PDT
Hi Lee,
the camera on the webside www.goscope.net is a strong modified Konvas 2 M.
The electrical engine is changed to the other side of the camera, it has
also a variable speed programm ( max. 60 f/s) , the mount is changed to Arri PL,
the magazines have a second fix system, at least the camera has a
video-control ...
So it´s a nice camera, but unfortunally extremly lound ....
Greetings,
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From Viktor Fri Jun 22 22:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: PL mount for sale
From: Viktor
Date: Jun 22, 2001 15:34 PDT
Hi!
If you need in PL mount for 2M please visit to my posting on Ebay.
Thanks.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1248467344
From DJ Sun Jun 24 02:08:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: I would like a 2M to buy thanks.
From: DJ Clinton
Date: Jun 23, 2001 19:08 PDT
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Hello everyone,
I've been reading a heap on the web about the Konvas 2M and would love to
buy one. If anyone out there has one that a film student can obtain, please
email me.
Or if you have any useful tips on what to watch out for, please let me know.
Also if anyone knows how to subtract the manufacture date from the serial
number, that would also help.
djclinton at djclinton.com
Thank you very much.
Kind Regards
Clinton
Sydney, Australia
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From peterh5322 at aol.com Sun Jun 24 16:49:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: I would like a 2M to buy thanks.
From: peterh5322 at aol.com
Date: Jun 24, 2001 09:49 PDT
In a message dated 6/23/01 7:09:09 PM, djclinton at djclinton.com writes:
<<
Also if anyone knows how to subtract the manufacture date from the serial
number, that would also help.
>>
I presume the writer meant "extract the manufacturing date from the serial
number", IOW, to be able to determine when a camera was manufactured, using
the camera's serial number as the only input.
From matt Sun Jun 24 17:45:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: I would like a 2M to buy thanks.
From: matt uhry
Date: Jun 24, 2001 10:45 PDT
Seems like its just the first 2 #'s thats the year. pretty simple.
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From Brent Thu Jun 28 14:17:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Very Trick Konvas based Movie camera on Ebay. What is it?
From: Brent Finley
Date: Jun 28, 2001 07:17 PDT
Anyone see this? Wow!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250553397
Brent
From A. Thu Jun 28 15:29:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Very Trick Konvas based Movie camera on Ebay. What is it?
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Jun 28, 2001 08:29 PDT
looks like a russian version of the ARRI SRII for a 35mm anyone got any
info on this baby?
ctr
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From erkan Thu Jun 28 17:32:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Very Trick Konvas based Movie camera on Ebay. What is it?
From: erkan umut
Date: Jun 28, 2001 10:32 PDT
This is the modified MODERNISED version of "Konvas-Avtomat" camera.
It has LCD display with new camera electronics. The mag is designed for
precise balancing.
We have one in Turkey special made for animation filming
Erkan UMUT
Istanbul/TURKEY
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From Rafael Fri Jun 29 17:07:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Rarest Russian anamorphic lenses on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Jun 29, 2001 10:07 PDT
2 LOMO lenses for Arriflex PL (about ten were produced AFAIK), and 2
lenses for Konvas-2M (seems to be a pre-production). Rarest items!
Very low start price. Good both for users and for collectors. Two
days only. Here is links:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250777856
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250815867
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250817949
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250821256
Feel free to ask any questions.
Thank you.
From Rafael Fri Jun 29 17:08:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Rarest Russian anamorphic lenses on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Jun 29, 2001 10:08 PDT
2 LOMO lenses for Arriflex PL (about ten were produced AFAIK), and 2
lenses for Konvas-2M (seems to be a pre-production). Rarest items!
Very low start price. Good both for users and for collectors. Two
days only. Here is links:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250777856
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250815867
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250817949
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250821256
Feel free to ask any questions.
Thank you.
From DJ Sat Jun 30 00:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Rarest Russian anamorphic lenses on eBay.
From: DJ Clinton
Date: Jun 29, 2001 17:28 PDT
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Hi there gang,
A good friend of mine is selling these lenses, apparently they are
collectors items or something.
2 lenses for Arriflex PL (about ten were produced), and 2 lenses for
Konvas-2M (pre-production).
Rarest items! Very low start price. Three days only. Here are the links:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250777856
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250815867
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250817949
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250821256
He is leaving for holidays soon, so get in quick.
Kind Regards
Clinton
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friend of
mine is selling these lenses, apparently they are collectors items or
something.
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2 lenses for Arriflex PL (about ten
were produced),
and 2 lenses for Konvas-2M
(pre-production).
Rarest items! Very low start
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777856">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
777856
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
815867">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
815867
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
817949">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
817949
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
821256">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1250
821256
He is
leaving for
holidays soon, so get in quick.
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Regards
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From info at solidentertainment.se Sat Jun 30 18:11:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Rarest Russian anamorphic lenses on eBay
From: info at solidentertainment.se
Date: Jun 30, 2001 11:11 PDT
The two square front anamorphic lenses offered (50mm
and 80mm) will NOT fit an Arri 3C, unless the camera
has been rebuilt to take OCT-19 (Konvas 2M) lenses.
The letters OP. in the upper right corner of the lens
fronts probably do stand for opytnyj = experimental.
These lenses are basically the forerunners of the
standard Soviet square front anamorphic lenses (and do
not differ from them in any way as far as I can see).
So the MODEL is far from unique, although as most
experimental lenses were made in series of about 5
lenses each, it could be considered rare.
It's hard to judge from the bad quality photos, but it
does seem like the serial number is 6301 on both lenses
(Rafael?), which would mean the lenses were made in
1963 by the forerunner to CKBK, and that they were the
first prototype test lenses made.
The CKB GKK / CKBK lenses were often made to very high
standards - on the other hand the lenses are about 35
years old.
The reason the lenses have dual Focus Range markings is
simple: These lenses came with a 0.5 diopter lens that
could be screwed in front of the lens. The 1,6 m to
inf. is for focusing without the diopter, and 1m to
2,5m is for focusing with the diopter.
Since these lenses come without diopters, the minimum
focus distance is 1.6m.
The two LOMO round front lenses offered (50mm and 75mm)
are standard LOMO anamorphic lenses that happen to have
PL mounts - there is nothing unique or extremely rare
about them.
Good lenses though.
Anders Banke
From Rafael Sat Jun 30 19:10:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: Rarest Russian anamorphic lenses on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Jun 30, 2001 12:10 PDT
Hello Anders,
Thank you very much for your valuable information! I begin do deal
with movie cameras and accessories recenrly, so my knowledge is very
restricted...
May you tell me real price of this lenses, please? I'm afraid that I
set too high or too low price for its. Help me to estimate its real
value, please.
Thank you again. Hope to hear you soon.
Rafael
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info at solidentertainment.se> The two square front anamorphic lenses offered (50mm
info at solidentertainment.se> and 80mm) will NOT fit an Arri 3C, unless the camera
info at solidentertainment.se> has been rebuilt to take OCT-19 (Konvas 2M) lenses.
info at solidentertainment.se> The letters OP. in the upper right corner of the lens
info at solidentertainment.se> fronts probably do stand for opytnyj = experimental.
info at solidentertainment.se> These lenses are basically the forerunners of the
info at solidentertainment.se> standard Soviet square front anamorphic lenses (and do
info at solidentertainment.se> not differ from them in any way as far as I can see).
info at solidentertainment.se> So the MODEL is far from unique, although as most
info at solidentertainment.se> experimental lenses were made in series of about 5
info at solidentertainment.se> lenses each, it could be considered rare.
info at solidentertainment.se> It's hard to judge from the bad quality photos, but it
info at solidentertainment.se> does seem like the serial number is 6301 on both lenses
info at solidentertainment.se> (Rafael?), which would mean the lenses were made in
info at solidentertainment.se> 1963 by the forerunner to CKBK, and that they were the
info at solidentertainment.se> first prototype test lenses made.
info at solidentertainment.se> The CKB GKK / CKBK lenses were often made to very high
info at solidentertainment.se> standards - on the other hand the lenses are about 35
info at solidentertainment.se> years old.
info at solidentertainment.se> The reason the lenses have dual Focus Range markings is
info at solidentertainment.se> simple: These lenses came with a 0.5 diopter lens that
info at solidentertainment.se> could be screwed in front of the lens. The 1,6 m to
info at solidentertainment.se> inf. is for focusing without the diopter, and 1m to
info at solidentertainment.se> 2,5m is for focusing with the diopter.
info at solidentertainment.se> Since these lenses come without diopters, the minimum
info at solidentertainment.se> focus distance is 1.6m.
info at solidentertainment.se> The two LOMO round front lenses offered (50mm and 75mm)
info at solidentertainment.se> are standard LOMO anamorphic lenses that happen to have
info at solidentertainment.se> PL mounts - there is nothing unique or extremely rare
info at solidentertainment.se> about them.
info at solidentertainment.se> Good lenses though.
info at solidentertainment.se> Anders Banke
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From Chris Mon Jul 2 01:45:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Ostcam and Elite Russian Cine Equip.
From: Chris Morlock
Date: Jul 01, 2001 18:45 PDT
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I am very interested in any information anyone may have regarding these
cameras that until recently I had no idea existed. "Ostcam" seems to be a
modern manufactuer and offers 16,35, and even 65mm cameras! I found a link
to theri homepage but it seems to be down for the moment. Anyone had any
experience or knowledge with these cams?
Also, I saw a new set of Elite Scope lenses recently. Are these russian
lenses? If so, who makes them?
I can offer any of the listers a free Russian translation service (as long as
its mopic related and not too technical) as my father is a Russian teacher.
Glad to trade info!
Thanks,
Chris Morlock
SF Bay Area USA
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I am very interested in any information anyone may have regarding these
cameras that until recently I had no idea existed. "Ostcam" seems to be a
modern manufactuer and offers 16,35, and even 65mm cameras! I found a link
to theri homepage but it seems to be down for the moment. Anyone had any
experience or knowledge with these cams?
Also, I saw a new set of Elite Scope lenses recently. Are these russian
lenses? If so, who makes them?
I can offer any of the listers a free Russian translation service (as long as
its mopic related and not too technical) as my father is a Russian teacher.
Glad to trade info!
Thanks,
Chris Morlock
SF Bay Area USA
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From patrick Mon Jul 2 02:42:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Ostcam and Elite Russian Cine Equip.
From: patrick Steele
Date: Jul 01, 2001 19:42 PDT
Hi Chris,
Yes, the Ostcam link via the Stereokino website is currently down. I think
they are redesigning their site. Lael Camak on this board has had dealings
with Ostcam in the past, as has Viktor Nikityuk. Contact them with specific
needs.
I am also preparing to completely update my Russian camera website and will
be adding a page dealing with an Ostcam modified Konvas. Hopefully, I'll
have that page up in the next few days. I'll let the group know when I do.
Btw, the camera is ownde by Matt Zatkoff, who also subscribes to this
discussion group.
As far as Elite lenses go, I know that Anatoly of Slow Motion Inc. in Los
Angeles rents and sells them for Super 16, 35mm and anamorphic. He sent me
some basic brochures, but I don't really have any more info than that. If
you wish to contact him, his number is 818-846-4365. If anyone out there has
info, or has shot with them, please share the info! : )
Patrick
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From matthew Mon Jul 2 17:59:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Ostcam and Elite Russian Cine Equip.
From: matthew zatkoff
Date: Jul 02, 2001 10:59 PDT
Hi, I'm Matt Zatkoff,
This is my first time writing on the message board, but Pat Steele mentioned at one point that I recently bought a new Konvas, From Ostcam and it was very similar to the one on ebay. The body on mine appears exactly the same except that on the one on ebay the viewfinder is attached to the top, I guesst that's good because you can install a video tap in the other place. Mine also has a regestration pin, and a Nikon mount. I asked the seller to send me pix of the film gate, he did and it does have a Regestration pin. It also has an aperture plate for super 35 it's a 2:1 ratio. It's an odd ratio... but it works. I know that the one on ebay doesn't have a nikon mount. The intervalometer (time lapse thing) is really really cool, it's the thing on the ebay site that is in the 4th 6th and 9th picture. It does frames every 0.5 sec up to every 64 sec, and also every 0.5 min, up to every 64 min. Exposures of 0.5 sec to 64 sec, and 0.5 min up to e very 64 min. That's really cool. you can also do animation with it too.
In the end it runs a lot like any Konvas, other that the fact that it has all the accessories, and has a regestration pin. I mean that it's just as loud and similar in weight and size and stuff. The display on the side isn't an LCD, it's a simple digital display that shows the fps. Nothing fancy.
Ok, any other ?'s just ask,
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From l.camak at att.net Mon Jul 2 21:02:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Elite Lenses
From: l.camak at att.net
Date: Jul 02, 2001 14:02 PDT
Chris,
Yes, the Elite lenses are very nice. Probably the best
anamorphic lenses currently available on the market and
considerably smaller than Panavision anamorphs. Price
is around $20k+ per lense. I have a contact who has
found the manufacturer (in St. Petersburg I seem to
remember). These guys know the value of their lenses
though, and there is no budging on their price. Their
exclusive US agent is Anatoly at www.slowmotioninc.com
in LA.
Lael
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> cameras that until recently I had no idea existed. "Ostcam" seems to be a
> modern manufactuer and offers 16,35, and even 65mm cameras! I found a link
> to theri homepage but it seems to be down for the moment. Anyone had any
> experience or knowledge with these cams?
>
> Also, I saw a new set of Elite Scope lenses recently. Are these russian
> lenses? If so, who makes them?
>
> I can offer any of the listers a free Russian translation service (as long as
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Mathew,
Do you know if this camera is crystal synced or does it neeed an additional
cyrstal sync.?
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Hi, I'm Matt Zatkoff,
This is my first time writing on the message board, but Pat Steele mentioned at one point that I recently bought a new Konvas, From Ostcam and it was very similar to the one on ebay. The body on mine appears exactly the same except that on the one on ebay the viewfinder is attached to the top, I guesst that's good because you can install a video tap in the other place. Mine also has a regestration pin, and a Nikon mount. I asked the seller to send me pix of the film gate, he did and it does have a Regestration pin. It also has an aperture plate for super 35 it's a 2:1 ratio. It's an odd ratio... but it works. I know that the one on ebay doesn't have a nikon mount. The intervalometer (time lapse thing) is really really cool, it's the thing on the ebay site that is in the 4th 6th and 9th picture. It does frames every 0.5 sec up to every 64 sec, and also every 0.5 min, up to every 64 min. Exposures of 0.5 sec to 64 sec, and 0.5 min up to e very 64 min. That's really cool. you can also do animation with it too.
In the end it runs a lot like any Konvas, other that the fact that it has all the accessories, and has a regestration pin. I mean that it's just as loud and similar in weight and size and stuff. The display on the side isn't an LCD, it's a simple digital display that shows the fps. Nothing fancy.
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From matthew Mon Jul 2 23:53:00 2001
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Subject: Re: Ostcam and Elite Russian Cine Equip.
From: matthew zatkoff
Date: Jul 02, 2001 16:53 PDT
The motor is crystal motor. When running at 24fps it reads between 23.7 and
24.3. My guess is that most crystal motors run like that just that this one
actually shows it accurately on the display. Even if it's not perfect you
can run it sync for a while before it drifts.
Later,
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From drewravani at hotmail.com Thu Jul 5 00:41:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: introducing....
From: drewravani at hotmail.com
Date: Jul 04, 2001 17:41 PDT
Hi. I am a commiecam convert. I have been shooting DV for about a year
and a half now, but the prospect of 35mm shooting is too irresistable to
an image conscious capturer like myself. I have read every post on this
list, as well as the commiecam pages, and anything else google could dig
up for me. Basically - I want a Konvas 2M. I feel like I have been
internet dating and saw this picture of some fine Russian babe... I am
lovestruck for this camera already and I have yet to even hold one- Matt
Uhry's images with the Konvas went a long way to convince me... and it
doesn't hurt that I have a good friend in Keremerovo City that has found
a Konvas 1M for me. I really want to get to using a Konvas 2M, though
and anyone out there that might be able to point me in the right
direction (maybe you have one that is getting no use, sitting there
looking cool, but not DOING anything with it??????) would be most
appreciated. I can possibly trade a 1M plus cash for a very nice 2M?????
Hmmmm? I have six scripts to shoot by the end of the year and would like
to get on with shooting them with this camera. Thanks- Drew
drewravani at hotmail.com
From patrick Sun Jul 8 16:33:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Commiecam Site Update
From: patrick Steele
Date: Jul 08, 2001 09:33 PDT
Just a quick note to let everyone know I updated my site a bit this weekend.
Here's the latest:
A page devoted to Matt Zatkoff's Ostcam/Konvas 2M variant is finally up. You
can link to it off the camera or photo pages
Ê
A photo of Matt and his crew posing with the camera can be found on the
Photos page
Ê
The documents section is changing...I have begun converting articles to html
instead of having them as PDF's for download at the now-defunct i-Drive
site.
There will be more coming...just as soon as I finish the film I'm working
on!
The address for the site is: http://homepage.mac.com/karmitz/commiecam.htm
All the Best,
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From Steven Tue Jul 10 03:15:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Older Konvas and variable speed motors
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Jul 09, 2001 20:15 PDT
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Dear experienced Konvas owners: I have an urgent question.
Are the older Konvas cameras (35mm) with variable speed motors up to the
job of doing stock shots (no sound) with steadiness and no weird effects when panning?
Olexandr K of the Ukraine has said that some weird effects may happen when one pans?
What happens and can it be fixed without getting a Konvas with the 17EP motor
I don't want to do features but simply stock shots.
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Are the older Konvas cameras (35mm) with variable speed motors up to the
job of doing stock shots (no sound) with steadiness and no weird effects when panning?
Olexandr K of the Ukraine has said that some weird effects may happen when one pans?
What happens and can it be fixed without getting a Konvas with the 17EP motor
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Subject: 16mm cameras and telescopes
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Jul 09, 2001 20:16 PDT
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Dear Filmmakers: Can someone here help a semi-novice with some
technical advice?
Is it possible to connect the lens of a 16mm movie camera to a
telescope such as a Meade, a Celestron or a TAL (Russian made, Novosibirsk factory). Are the
exposures in filmmaking too short to
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technical advice?
Is it possible to connect the lens of a 16mm movie camera to a
telescope such as a Meade, a Celestron or a TAL (Russian made, Novosibirsk factory). Are the
exposures in filmmaking too short to
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From Anders Tue Jul 10 09:34:00 2001
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Subject: Re: Older Konvas and variable speed motors
From: Anders Banke
Date: Jul 10, 2001 02:34 PDT
Steven Lyle wrote:
> Dear experienced Konvas owners: I have an urgent question.
>
> Are the older Konvas cameras (35mm) with variable speed motors up to
> the
>
> job of doing stock shots (no sound) with steadiness and no weird
> effects when panning?
>
> Olexandr K of the Ukraine has said that some weird effects may happen
> when one pans?
That sounds very weird and has never happened to me or any other
experienced Konvas shooter I know of. Olexandr might be talking about
the very first rheostat motors, that are more or less useless nowadays
anyway (because of their age and not-so-good construction).
The 15EPSS stabilized motor is fine for most non-sync purposes, and
quite stable. I've never seen any wierd effects or unsteadiness caused
by PANNING. If a camera, any camera, is in very bad shape, of course you
might get steadiness problems. Keep in mind that the Konvas was
primarily designed as a hand held newsreel camera (which involves LOTS
of panning and other movements).
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From Rick Wed Jul 11 07:28:00 2001
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Date: Jul 11, 2001 00:28 PDT
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Hey, Steven and everyone!
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From: Steven Lyle
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: [Konvas] Older Konvas and variable speed motors
Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2001, 21:15
Dear experienced Konvas owners: I have an urgent question.
Are the older Konvas cameras (35mm) with variable speed motors up to the
job of doing stock shots (no sound) with steadiness and no weird effects
when panning?
Olexandr K of the Ukraine has said that some weird effects may happen when
one pans?
What happens and can it be fixed without getting a Konvas with the 17EP
motor
I don't want to do features but simply stock shots.
Experienced Konvas owners please reply. Thanks for your time.
Actually, there can be "weird effects" while panning with any camera. It's
just that with some camera designs, these effects can be more apparent.
I'm sort of second-guessing Olexandr here, but what they usually are are
some variant on the old "stagecoach wheels turning backwards" illusion that
was seen very commonly in western movies of the '40s. The effect has been
variously called "juddering" or "strobing," and there's a brief discussion
of it in one of David Samuelson's books [MOTION PICTURE CAMERA TECHNIQUES;
my copy is a 2nd Edition; Focal Press MediaManuals series, ISBN 0 240 51247
2, page 54].
As an example, let's say you're panning past a picket fence. If the pan
rate is such that a new picket pans into place in exactly (or nearly
exactly) the same position as a previous picket, on viewing the film, you
will see the disconcerting effect of the fence appearing to stand still
while the foreground and background picture elements pan past it. NOT a
normal viewing situation, and it looks "weird".
And this effect is more likely to show up with cameras like the Konvas or
similar design. Why? The shutter, for the most part.
In cameras with designs like the Panaflex=81 and Arri=81 the shaft for the
shutter is beside the aperture, so the shutter sweeps across the frame from
top to bottom.
In cameras like the Konvas and the Eclair CM-3/Cameflex/Camerette (which ar
e
the basis for the Konvas design) the shutter shaft is below the aperture, s
o
the shutter sweeps across the frame from side to side.
So what?
Well, most of the time, so nothing. BUT...
Many of the families of parallel lines in our world are vertical, for
instance, the pickets in that fence. If the shutter wipes the frame
top-to-bottom, the top of the image starts and ends its exposure a teensy
fraction of a second before the bottom does. Let's say we're panning past
that fence. Because of the time lag as the shutter crosses the frame, you
will find, if you look really, really, reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllly closely
at one given frame, that the pickets are not really tall skinny vertical
rectangles. In fact, they'll have a small, but definite "lean" to them, th
e
direction depending on the direction of the pan, and the amount depending o
n
the focal length of the taking lens and the panning speed and the
lens-to-fence distance. [Those of you who have come to grips with the
geometry of A-wind versus B-wind 16mm film will have already figured out
that, if you're panning right, the pickets lean to the right. And you'll
have figured out why.] Thus, there is a subtle, but definite geometric
distortion of the pickets, which helps blend successive frames into an
illusion of smooth movement during projection.
HOWEVER, if the shutter is wiping the frame from side-to-side, its edges ar
e
more-or-less parallel to the pickets, whose filmed images do not have that
geometric distortion described above. And won't blend so well in
projection. ESPECIALLY if the panning speed just happens to "stack" picket
s
on successive frames. Hence, strobing.
The whole thing has to do with the science of psychoperception, and there's
a hell of a lot of that goes into the engineering of a well-thought-out
camera design. I don't know this directly, but I have a sneaking hunch tha
t
this strobing phenomonon is one of the reasons the Panavision and Arri
shutters are mounted the way they are.
[In practical terms for camera design engineers, we're looking for what are
called subtle image artifacts that affect how well -or not- successive
images blend together to give a pleasing illusion of continuous movement.
There are parallel examples in the video world, and you can find out more
about them by checking into the differences between interlace scan and
progressive scan video.]
"But wait!," I hear the bright lights among you cry. "All motion is
relative. By your argument above, the Arri and Panavision cameras should
show juddering if you're tilting the camera instead of panning it!" And ya
know what? You are 100% correct.
But remember what I also said at the very start of all this: there are mor
e
families of parallel vertical lines in our world than parallel horizontal
ones. [And I'm gonna short-circuit the musicians among you who are inhalin
g
to lecture about musical staves. We don't make a lot of movies with the
camera tilting past line after line of music manuscript. So there. There
are some, though, and Bonus Marks are given if you can name them.....] And
it's the families of parallel vertical lines that are most apt to set up a
situation where an image will appear to strobe.
Moreover, it is one of the tenets of psychoperception that we evolved as
animals of the African savannahs. Our eyes are designed by evolution to se
e
more side-to-side than up-and-down. So we are far more likely to pan our
vision (almost had another corporate plug there...) from side to side rathe
r
than tilt it vertically. And ya know what? Watch any movie, and it's a
sucker bet that you'll see more panning movement than tilts on the part of
the camera. So arranging the camera shutter to wipe the frame from
top-to-bottom is more likely to not cause "weird panning effects" than othe
r
shutter mount designs. Especially since we pan at a wide variety of speeds
.
Overall, tilts tend to be rather slower. David Samuelson's book has a
broad rule of thumb about panning speeds that are most likely not to cause
strobing. Hunt the book down; better yet buy it, and READ it. It's an
excellent text.
INcidentally, that bit about our eyes evolving to see a greater horizontal
field than a vertical one is the very reason the 2.35:1 aspect ratios of
Panavision=81 and CinemaScope=81 are so pleasing to us psychologically. And
there was a LOT of psychoperceptual research went into figuring out the
details of that. Read up on the history of these widescreen processes -
it's fascinating. And knowing this stuff will make you a better camera
operator, better equipped to exploit your working aspect ratio.
I suppose I should put in the disclaimer that all the foregoing discussion
assumes cameras are in good repair and registering properly. If you have a
worn pulldown claw, or a bent registration pin, or badly perforated film (i
t
does happen; fortunately very rarely!) or the lab distorts the film by
stretching it, then all the bets are off.
I hope I have properly guessed the nature of the "weird panning effects" an
d
have explained them thoroughly without dragging it out too far. One of the
troubles with the world is that the answers to some apparently simple
questions aren't so simple, after all.
Best wishes to all,
Rick Garbutt
Rick Garbutt, soc
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Cinematography, Time-Lapse, SLOW Motion
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Re: [Konvas] Older Konvas and variable speed motors
Hey, Steven and everyone!
----------
From: Steven Lyle <lyleott at yahoo.com&>
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: [Konvas] Older Konvas and variable speed motors
Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2001, 21:15
Dear experienced Konvas owners: I have an urgent question.
Are the older Konvas cameras (35mm) with variable speed motors up to the
R>
job of doing stock shots (no sound) with steadiness and no weird effects wh
en panning?
Olexandr K of the Ukraine has said that some weird effects may happen when
one pans?
What happens and can it be fixed without getting a Konvas with the 17EP mot
or
I don't want to do features but simply stock shots.
Experienced Konvas owners please reply. Thanks for your time.
Actually, there can be "
weird effects" while panning with any camera. It's just that with
some camera designs, these effects can be more apparent.
I'm sort of second-guessing Olexandr here, but what they usually are are so
me variant on the old "stagecoach wheels turning backwards" illusi
on that was seen very commonly in western movies of the '40s. The effe
ct has been variously called "juddering
ONT>" or "strobing," and
there's a brief discussion of it in one of David Samuelson's books [
LOR="#008000">MOTION PICTURE CAMERA TECHNIQUES; my copy is a 2
nd Edition; Focal Press MediaManuals series, ISBN 0 240 51247 2, page
54].
As an example, let's say you're panning past a picket fence. If the p
an rate is such that a new picket pans into place in exactly (or nearly exac
tly) the same position as a previous picket, on viewing the film, you will s
ee the disconcerting effect of the fence appearing to stand still while the
foreground and background picture elements pan past it. NOT a normal v
iewing situation, and it looks "weird".
And this effect is more likely to show up with cameras like the Konvas or s
imilar design. Why? The shutter, for the most part.
In cameras with designs like the Panaflex=81 and Arri=81 the shaft for the shut
ter is beside the aperture, so the shutter sweeps across the frame fr
om top to bottom.
In cameras like the Konvas and the Eclair CM-3/Cameflex/Camerette (which ar
e the basis for the Konvas design) the shutter shaft is below the ape
rture, so the shutter sweeps across the frame from side to side.
So what?
Well, most of the time, so nothing. BUT...
Many of the families of parallel lines in our world are vertical, for insta
nce, the pickets in that fence. If the shutter wipes the frame top-to-
bottom, the top of the image starts and ends its exposure a teensy fraction
of a second before the bottom does. Let's say we're panning past that
fence. Because of the time lag as the shutter crosses the frame, you w
ill find, if you look really, really, reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllly closely a
t one given frame, that the pickets are not really tall skinny ver
tical rectangles. In fact, they'll have a small, but definit
e "lean" to them, the direction depending on the direction of the
pan, and the amount depending on the focal length of the taking lens and the
panning speed and the lens-to-fence distance. [Those of you who have
come to grips with the geometry of A-wind versus B-wind 16mm film will have
already figured out that, if you're panning right, the pickets lean to the r
ight. And you'll have figured out why.] Thus, there is a subtle,
but definite geometric distortion of the pickets, which helps blend success
ive frames into an illusion of smooth movement during projection.
HOWEVER, if the shutter is wiping the frame from side-to-side, its edges ar
e more-or-less parallel to the pickets, whose filmed images do not ha
ve that geometric distortion described above. And won't blend so well
in projection. ESPECIALLY if the panning speed just happens to "s
tack" pickets on successive frames. Hence, strobing.
The whole thing has to do with the science of psyc
hoperception, and there's a hell of a lot of that goes into the e
ngineering of a well-thought-out camera design. I don't know this dire
ctly, but I have a sneaking hunch that this strobing phenomonon is one of th
e reasons the Panavision and Arri shutters are mounted the way they are.
[In practical terms for camera design engineers, we're looking for what are
called subtle image artifacts that affe
ct how well -or not- successive images blend together to give a pleasing ill
usion of continuous movement. There are parallel examples in the video
world, and you can find out more about them by checking into the difference
s between interlace scan and
="#000080">progressive scan video.]
"But wait!," I hear the bright lights among you cry. "
All motion is relative. By your argument above, the Arri and Panavisio
n cameras should show juddering if you're tilting the camera instead of pann
ing it!" And ya know what? You are 100% correct.
But remember what I also said at the very start of all this: there ar
e more families of parallel vertical lines in our world than parallel horizo
ntal ones. [And I'm gonna short-circuit the musicians among you who ar
e inhaling to lecture about musical staves. We don't make a lot of mov
ies with the camera tilting past line after line of music manuscript.
So there. There are some, though, and Bonus Marks are given if
you can name them.....] And it's the families of parallel vertical lin
es that are most apt to set up a situation where an image will appear to str
obe.
Moreover, it is one of the tenets of psychoperception that we evolved as an
imals of the African savannahs. Our eyes are designed by evolution to
see more side-to-side than up-and-down. So we are far more likely to p
an our vision (almost had another corporate plug there...) from side
to side rather than tilt it vertically. And ya know what? Watch
any movie, and it's a sucker bet that you'll see more panning movement than
tilts on the part of the camera. So arranging the camera shutter to wi
pe the frame from top-to-bottom is more likely to not cause "wei
rd panning effects" than other shutter mount designs. Especially
since we pan at a wide variety of speeds. Overall, tilts tend to be ra
ther slower. David Samuelson's book has a broad rule of thumb about pa
nning speeds that are most likely not to cause strobing. Hunt the book
down; better yet buy it, and READ it. It's an excellent text.
INcidentally, that bit about our eyes evolving to see a greater horizontal
field than a vertical one is the very reason the 2.35:1 aspect ratios of Pan
avision=81 and CinemaScope=81 are so pleasing to us psychologically. And t
here was a LOT of psychoperceptual research went into figuring out the detai
ls of that. Read up on the history of these widescreen processes - it'
s fascinating. And knowing this stuff will make you a better camera op
erator, better equipped to exploit your working aspect ratio.
I suppose I should put in the disclaimer that all the foregoing discussion
assumes cameras are in good repair and registering properly. If you ha
ve a worn pulldown claw, or a bent registration pin, or badly perforated fil
m (it does happen; fortunately very rarely!) or the lab distorts the film by
stretching it, then all the bets are off.
I hope I have properly guessed the nature of the "weird panning effect
s" and have explained them thoroughly without dragging it out too far.
One of the troubles with the world is that the answers to some apparen
tly simple questions aren't so simple, after all.
Best wishes to all,
Rick Garbutt
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From Todd Wed Jul 11 20:01:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Replacement accessories?
From: Todd Liebman
Date: Jul 11, 2001 13:01 PDT
Hi Gang!
So lets say, for example, that one finds a really
nice 2M package, with a load of lenses and a perfect
17ep motor, but no other accessories. As an
alternative to outfitting the package with a German or
American baseplate and mattebox, where would one get a
Russian baseplate and mattebox without having to find
and buy a whole other camera package? I am finding it
difficult to find this stuff ( I know the
alternatives, Arri,etc...). Lenses are no problem, so
why not a baseplate and Mattebox,( two of the most
rudimentary ,and one would think -common-, accessories
found in most rental houses)? There must be spares
somehwere-
Anyone have any ideas?
Regards,
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From Brent Wed Jul 11 20:18:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: 17EP spare parts
From: Brent Finley
Date: Jul 11, 2001 13:18 PDT
Hey Gang,
I have purchased a broken 17ep motor from Russia and
it is said to have 2 burned boards in it. Does anyone
know of another broken motor that I might scavenge for
boards?
I emailed Anatoly at SloMotion to see if he has spares
from motors he's rebuilt, but have gotten no response
yet.
Brent
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From patrick Wed Jul 11 20:33:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: 17EP spare parts
From: patrick Steele
Date: Jul 11, 2001 13:33 PDT
Brent,
You might want to talk with Clive Tobin at Tobin Cinema Systems. He used to modify the 17EP motors years ago--he may have some spare parts or boards available. It's worth an ask, anyway.
You can get his phone number/email off his site: http://www.tobincinemasystems.com
Pat
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&>know of another broken motor that I might scavenge for
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From patrick Fri Jul 13 03:52:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Another Ostcam on Ebay...
From: patrick Steele
Date: Jul 12, 2001 20:52 PDT
Hi all,
I just wanted to let the group know there is yet another Ostcam /Konvas 2M
from the early 90's on Ebay. It's a bit pricey, but it seems to be a good
kit! Also has a black and white video tap on the eyepiece of the viewfinder.
Check out Item # 1253837462 Ost-Cam hand-held 35mm Camera
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From haab at excite.com Mon Jul 16 07:59:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Another Ostcam on Ebay...
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Jul 16, 2001 00:59 PDT
<'I just wanted to let the group know there is yet
another Ostcam /Konvas 2M
Check out Item # 1253837462 Ost-Cam hand
held 35mm Camera'>
Anyone have any info on the video tap and its mounting
hardware? Where to get it? Substitutions?
Many thanks,
Todd Liebman
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From Brent Wed Jul 18 16:20:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Nice Konvas 1M for sale
From: Brent Finley
Date: Jul 18, 2001 09:20 PDT
Konvas 1M for sale
Newer model 1M (black model, built in 1983, accepts the later, 2M style
mags)
15EP motor, 2 brand new 12 volt batteries and chargers.
2 – 120 Meter (400 ft) magazines
4 – 60 Meter (200 ft) magazines
28mm lens
35mm lens
50mm lens
75mm lens
37-140mm Foton zoom lens
This was Lael Camak’s personal camera for a short time. He bought it,
got it lubed and ready to shoot, then decide to get a 2M. He sold this
to me for $1300 (what he had into it), which was very nice because he
started putting them on ebay and this one would have sold for about
$1600. It originally came with just 2 60M mags and no zoom and I put an
extra $550 into getting the other 4 mags and the zoom lens
Additionally, I bought a 17EP motor in pieces (the owner was going to
replace all the chips) for $150. They sent all the chips, and a
schematic. Clive Tobin says he has one more replacement board for this
motor, so you might go that route as well.
I want $1650 (plus shipping) for all of it.
Email brent at brentfinley.com
Call 480-610-7509 (work daytime)
Thanks,
Brent
www.brentfinley.com
From Brent Wed Jul 18 16:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Pics of Konvas 1M for sale
From: Brent Finley
Date: Jul 18, 2001 09:28 PDT
are on:
www.brentfinley.com/images/ebay/
konvas*.jpg
No it's not on Ebay yet...
If you're interested in a high speed, pin registered 16mm, see my
photosonics 1vn on ebay.
thanks
brent at brentfinley.com
www.brentfinley.com
From drewravani at hotmail.com Mon Jul 23 19:06:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Elite Lenses
From: drewravani at hotmail.com
Date: Jul 23, 2001 12:06 PDT
Does anybody know how to get in touch with the ostcam plant? if there is
a link to their website somewhere, would someone please post it? Does
anyone know if they are still manufacturing the Ostcam/Konvas 2M? Are
there any plans to do so? Thank you all...
l.camak at att.net wrote:
> Chris,
> Yes, the Elite lenses are very nice. Probably the best
> anamorphic lenses currently available on the market and
> considerably smaller than Panavision anamorphs. Price
> is around $20k+ per lense. I have a contact who has
> found the manufacturer (in St. Petersburg I seem to
> remember). These guys know the value of their lenses
> though, and there is no budging on their price. Their
> exclusive US agent is Anatoly at www.slowmotioninc.com
> in LA.
> Lael
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> > I am very interested in any information anyone may have regarding these
> > cameras that until recently I had no idea existed. "Ostcam" seems to be
> > a
> > modern manufactuer and offers 16,35, and even 65mm cameras! I found a
> > link
> > to theri homepage but it seems to be down for the moment. Anyone had
> > any
> > experience or knowledge with these cams?
> >
> > Also, I saw a new set of Elite Scope lenses recently. Are these russian
> >
> > lenses? If so, who makes them?
> >
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> > long as
> > its mopic related and not too technical) as my father is a Russian
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From haab at excite.com Mon Jul 23 20:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Elite Lenses
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Jul 23, 2001 13:28 PDT
Drew,
Alexander at Ostcam/Stereokino can be reached at
info at stereokino.ru . Usually you will get a response
in a day or so.
To the best of my knowledge, the current Ostcam 35
model is around US18,000, and is sold in a package
deal- specifics can be gotten form Alexander as to
what is included in the package.
As you may well know, they are floating around out
there sometimes, buut you have to be careful, parts
are hard to find sometimes, and many were modified
with all sorts of Tobin and other controllers, which
sometimes made factory accessories (such as the
intervalometer, or handgrip, or batteries
incompatible, as I recently found out when I purchased
mine). The cameras electronics/ motor/ etc. was not
known for its durability during a camera jam or other
technical malfunction if not properly maintained...
But they do take excellent pictures and iff you can
find one in good shape they are worth it! If you can,
get a schematic and it will make your life much
easier!
The lenses are very expensive, comparatively,but may
be worth it depending on what you want.
I have heard talk in favor of these lenses, and I have
heard the opposite as well. It depends on your
preference as a cinematographer and how much you are
willing to spend, Again, Anatoly at Slow Motion can
give you technical comparisons/details, and from what
I understand is also an excellent parts resouce for
the camera as well! As far as that test drive in the
shop with the charts, etc, I always like to see for
myself...
Regards,
Todd Liebman
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From Rick Mon Jul 23 20:32:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Elite Lenses
From: Rick Garbutt
Date: Jul 23, 2001 13:32 PDT
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>Subject: RE: [Konvas] Elite Lenses
>Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001, 14:28
>
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>Drew,
>Alexander at Ostcam/Stereokino can be reached at
>info at stereokino.ru . Usually you will get a response
>in a day or so.
> To the best of my knowledge, the current Ostcam 35
>model is around US18,000, and is sold in a package
>deal- specifics can be gotten form Alexander as to
>what is included in the package.
> As you may well know, they are floating around out
>there sometimes, buut you have to be careful, parts
>are hard to find sometimes, and many were modified
>with all sorts of Tobin and other controllers, which
>sometimes made factory accessories (such as the
>intervalometer, or handgrip, or batteries
>incompatible, as I recently found out when I purchased
>mine). The cameras electronics/ motor/ etc. was not
>known for its durability during a camera jam or other
>technical malfunction if not properly maintained...
>But they do take excellent pictures and iff you can
>find one in good shape they are worth it! If you can,
>get a schematic and it will make your life much
>easier!
> The lenses are very expensive, comparatively,but may
>be worth it depending on what you want.
>I have heard talk in favor of these lenses, and I have
>heard the opposite as well. It depends on your
>preference as a cinematographer and how much you are
>willing to spend, Again, Anatoly at Slow Motion can
>give you technical comparisons/details, and from what
>I understand is also an excellent parts resouce for
>the camera as well! As far as that test drive in the
>shop with the charts, etc, I always like to see for
>myself...
> Regards,
> Todd Liebman
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From haab at excite.com Mon Jul 23 20:37:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re:Elite lenses (Ostcam)
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Jul 23, 2001 13:37 PDT
Drew,
I almost forgot to mention how helpful Olexandr
Kalynychenko has been! He has gone above and beyond
the call of duty to find things for me and he is vey
well informed. If it can be found, he will put forth
great effort to find it! He can be reached at
olex at kalyna.dp.ua ...
Regards,
Todd Liebman, DP
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From Steven Thu Jul 26 06:45:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: (no subject)
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Jul 25, 2001 23:45 PDT
Konvas cameras without battery pack.
I was told that any Konvas camera without the
battery pack will not work. Is this true?
Any ways around this? Thanks.
STOCK
From matt Thu Jul 26 15:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: [Konvas]
From: matt uhry
Date: Jul 26, 2001 08:34 PDT
Steven Lyle wrote:
I use the crystal motor ( 17EP? ) with normal
12v film batteries all the time. There is an older
arrangement on the non crystal motors that
may require that cinderblock sized controler thing.
Matt
>
>
> Konvas cameras without battery pack.
> I was told that any Konvas camera without the
> battery pack will not work. Is this true?
> Any ways around this? Thanks.
>
>
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From Rafael Thu Jul 26 20:21:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: 2 lenses for Konvas-1M on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Jul 26, 2001 13:21 PDT
Hello everyone!
I have listed zoom lens Foton 37-140mm
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1259096944
and tele lens Tair-33
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1259100807
Take a look, please.
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From Rafael Thu Jul 26 20:23:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: 3 mags 60m for Konvas -1, -2
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Jul 26, 2001 13:23 PDT
Hello everyone!
I forgot to mention 3 mags (Dutch auction)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1259123064
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From haab at excite.com Fri Jul 27 22:20:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Russian Manufacturing
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Jul 27, 2001 15:20 PDT
Question for all that might know:
The Konvas camera has been through several
incarnations, Automat, KSR-1M,KSR-2M,etc...
What years did the Russians start manufacturing each
model? What is the Chronology? Just Curious...
Cheers!
Todd Liebman
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From erkan Tue Jul 31 20:54:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Russian Manufacturing
From: erkan umut
Date: Jul 31, 2001 13:54 PDT
KONVAS-1 : 1939
KONVAS-ZVUK (SOUND) : 1941
All other Models : from 1954 until these days...
Hope this helps:)
Erkan Umut-DoP
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From Rafael Fri Aug 3 18:11:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Rarest Russian anamorphic lenses on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 03, 2001 11:11 PDT
Hello everybody!
Few excellent lenses for sale on eBay.
LOMO 250mm with PL mount
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261577347
LOMO 200mm for Konvas-2M
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261578524
LOMO 300mm for Konvas-2M
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261579155
CANON ZOOM for Konvas-2M
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261580866
Feel free to ask any questions.
Thank you.
Rafael
From Rafael Fri Aug 3 18:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: sorry for wrong subject - just good lenses
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 03, 2001 11:34 PDT
Sorry for wrong subject in previous e-mail.
From Rafael Sat Aug 4 18:32:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas-1M with EXTRAS on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 04, 2001 11:32 PDT
Hello everybody!
You don't tired with me yet?
Lets look at Konvas-1M with extra lenses and anamorphic attachment.
Start with $999 with no reserve.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1261854435
Feel free to ask any questions.
Thank you.
Rafael
From hans at filmcentralen.com Wed Aug 8 16:45:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Introduction
From: hans at filmcentralen.com
Date: Aug 08, 2001 09:45 PDT
Hi
I´m a independent filmmaker that works as a teacher in mediaproduction.
I own a MiniDV camcorder, a Arriflex 16BL and now I have bought a Konvas
1M that I would like to have more info about.
I have set up a temporary internet site with pictures of the camera at
http://rain.prohosting.com/~konvas/index.htm
If you have more info on the camera or accessories for sale then please
mail me. Thanks for a nice board with lots of information.
Hans Engstrom
hans at filmcentralen.com
From Rafael Sat Aug 11 17:43:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas-2M and Arri PL lenses are relisted with lower prices. Last
chance.
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 11, 2001 10:43 PDT
Hello everybody!
Thank you for all who pay attention for my messages.
Unfortunately, this lenses take no bids...
So, I decide to relist them with $1 start, minimal possible reserve
and reasonable BuyItNow prices.
I can't sell them cheaper then this time, so, if you really need
such lenses, don't miss your chance.
1. LOMO 2.8/200mm and 3.5/300mm for Konvas-2M (together)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264043211
2. LOMO 4/250mm for Arri PL
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264040289
3. Canon K-35 macro zoom lens K5x25 25-120mm T 2.8 for Konvas-2M
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264050524
Feel free to ask me any questions.
Thank you for your attention.
And someone want to buy old Russian professianal "RODINA" camera?
Rafael
From Rafael Sat Aug 11 17:49:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: PS
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 11, 2001 10:49 PDT
Hello everybody!
Something is wrong with eBay (or with me). I can't set reserve price
on relisted items. So, I set minimal possible start price, and
BuyItNow price is lower then privious start price!
Rafael
From haab at excite.com Sat Aug 11 18:58:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas-2M and Arri PL lenses are relisted with lower prices. Last
c
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Aug 11, 2001 11:58 PDT
Rafael,
What do you want for the Rodina? What kind of shape is
it in? Which mount is it? What magazines does it come
with? Do you have any pictures you can send me?I am
interested.
Many thanks,
Todd
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> Unfortunately, this lenses take no bids...
> So, I decide to relist them with $1 start, minimal
> possible reserve
> and reasonable BuyItNow prices.
> I can't sell them cheaper then this time, so, if
> you really need
> such lenses, don't miss your chance.
>
> 1. LOMO 2.8/200mm and 3.5/300mm for Konvas-2M
> (together)
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264043211
>
> 2. LOMO 4/250mm for Arri PL
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264040289
>
> 3. Canon K-35 macro zoom lens K5x25 25-120mm T 2.8
> for Konvas-2M
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264050524
>
> Feel free to ask me any questions.
> Thank you for your attention.
>
> And someone want to buy old Russian professianal
> "RODINA" camera?
>
> Rafael
>
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From Vasily Tue Aug 14 07:14:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas 1 with matte box, manuals, and most accessories for sale
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Aug 14, 2001 00:14 PDT
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Konvas 1 with matte box, manuals, and most accessories for sale
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To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Konvas 1 with matte box, manuals, and most accessories for sale
From: hans at filmcentralen.com
Date: Aug 14, 2001 12:04 PDT
Not exactly what I would call a matte box. That is just a case for the
equipment.
Hans Engstrom
Vasily Fursov wrote:
>
> Konvas 1 with matte box, manuals, and most accessories for sale
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>
> Thank you for reading.
>
>
>
From hans at filmcentralen.com Thu Aug 16 02:11:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Looking for 400ft mags and anamorphic lenses
From: hans at filmcentralen.com
Date: Aug 15, 2001 19:11 PDT
Hi
I´m looking for 400ft mags and maybe some anamorphic lenses to my konvas
1m. If you have any for sale then please contact me.
hans at filmcentralen.com
From patrick Thu Aug 16 03:44:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Kinor 35H on Ebay
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 15, 2001 20:44 PDT
In case anyone is interested, visit:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264608656
All the Best,
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From Rafael Sun Aug 19 18:36:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RODINA on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 19, 2001 11:36 PDT
Hello everybody!
I listed Russian 35mm movie camera "Rodina"
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1266585854
and anamorphic attachment with 2 additional lenses
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also anamorphic film channel frame for Konvas
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1266577117
Take a look, please, and happy bidding!
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From patrick Thu Aug 23 03:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: MKA Saga...
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 22, 2001 20:34 PDT
Hi all,
Well, I am in the middle of revising my webpage again and will be adding
several new features on the Konvas and Kinor 35H. One of the things I would
like to do is a little page on MKA--the US importer of Russian 16mm and 35mm
gear from the late 80's and early 90's. Unfortunately there is little info
about their history and I've only found bits about why they are no longer
around (which is a sad, sordid tale).
So, I am asking the group: if you have any information, experiences or
anecdotes about/with MKA and it's founder John Kitzen, can you pass it on to
me? It's part of the history of these cameras, and it would be a shame to
leave it alone. Besides, I always wanted to be a tabloid writer, so now is
my chance!
By the way, if any of you have photos of your cameras in action, I'd be
happy to post them. Just send them in...
Thanks!
Patrick
http://homepage.mac.com/karmitz/commiecam.htm
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From Ray Fri Aug 24 04:26:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: An interesting link to Russian cams
From: Ray T
Date: Aug 23, 2001 21:26 PDT
Hi,
I came across this link on the Eclair ACL Topica List. It features a
couple of tricked out ACL's, but it also has some very cool Kinor 35H's
and Konvas 2M's. They are a rental house(?) in Russia. Check it out:
http://onikfilm.narod.ru/kartsite.htm
-Ray
From patrick Fri Aug 24 12:25:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: An interesting link to Russian cams
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 24, 2001 05:25 PDT
Good catch Ray! Very interesting indeed...!
Pat
&>Hi,
&>I came across this link on the Eclair ACL Topica List. It features a
&>couple of tricked out ACL's, but it also has some very cool Kinor 35H's
&>and Konvas 2M's. They are a rental house(?) in Russia. Check it out:
&>
&>http://onikfilm.narod.ru/kartsite.htm
&>
&>-Ray
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From A. Fri Aug 24 14:30:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: An interesting link to Russian cams
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Aug 24, 2001 07:30 PDT
wow! real hardcore russian stuff!
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From Ken Sun Aug 26 01:24:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Question: Konvas KCP-1M Motor & Battery
From: Ken
Date: Aug 25, 2001 18:24 PDT
I just got a KCP-1M on ebay. Anyone with experience using the rheostat controlled electric motor? I'm told this is a 25M-8M motor. What is the best voltage and AmpHour for this motor? Is there a ready made battery belt available somewhere?
www.kensteward.com
From patrick Sun Aug 26 03:45:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Question: Konvas KCP-1M Motor & Battery
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 25, 2001 20:45 PDT
Hi,
I don't have any experience with this motor, but perhaps Viktor Nikityuk
(nikitiuk27 at yahoo.com) or Olexandr Kalynychenko (olex at kalyna.dp.ua) can help
you. They're both equipment dealers in Ukraine.
As far as a battery pack goes, I bought a not-too-expensive 12v Bescor
battery belt to use with my Konvas 2M motor. All I had to do was change out
the connector on the motor cable to match the belt. Mine is a 14AH belt that
will run the 2M for a loooonnnngggg time. Once you determine the best
voltage and AH for this motor, you should have no trouble finding something
to suit your needs. You can find Bescor batteries online at most
video/photography shops.
All the Best,
patrick
>I just got a KCP-1M on ebay. Anyone with experience using the rheostat
>controlled electric motor? I'm told this is a 25M-8M motor. What is the
>best voltage and AmpHour for this motor? Is there a ready made battery
>belt available somewhere?
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From patrick Mon Aug 27 02:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Techniscope?
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 26, 2001 19:28 PDT
Hi all,
Due to the heat, I am in a feverished state. While swimming in my own juices
and viewing Hans Engstrom's website, I began to wonder if it would be
possible to convert Konvas 1M's and 2M's to shoot Techniscope. I know it's
a not often used format...I am just putting it on the table to spur the
armchair engineers into debate. In any case, I blame Hans for mentioning
2-perf pulldown on his site! : )
All the best,
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From Rafael Mon Aug 27 14:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Someone need Canon Macro Zoom lens for Konvas-2M???
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 27, 2001 07:28 PDT
Hello everybody,
Some time ago I listed Canon macro zoom lens on eBay, and it didn't
receive any bids. Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264050524
Someone can reveal me secret - why this lens wasn't sold???
Is there too high price?
Or it is bad lens?
Or it has no real use?
Or it has wrong mount (for Konvas-2M)?
Or something else?
Thank you for your attention.
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From Rafael Tue Aug 28 20:07:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas-1M and Foton zoom lenses on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Aug 28, 2001 13:07 PDT
Hello everybody,
I hope, someone need such things yet.
Konvas-1M - start with $499, BuyItNow for $700
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269517351
Foton lens 37-140mm for Konvas-1
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269514502
Foton lens 37-140mm for Konvas-1 (minor defect, cheaper)
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269515740
Thank you for your attention.
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From Steven Wed Aug 29 04:50:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: I am CUBA....Konvas 1 HOW?
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Aug 28, 2001 21:50 PDT
Dear subscribers and Konvas experts:
I have become intrigued at how the makers of "I am Cuba." (1961-2)
got those shots that some critics say are some of the
best B and W shots ever captured (tones etc.).
Now Olexandr from the Ukraine is pretty sure the camera
used was a KONVAS 1 (not the 1M or 2M or the 70s).
AND...he said that they wouldn't have used a crystal motor
either.
How did they do it? Olexandr is pretty sure that one needs
the 1Ms or 2Ms to get good footage and that the Konvas
1 cameras would waste a lot of film.
I don't think the releasers of the film today (Frances Ford C)
could have gone back and reshot footage.
So...experts tell this novice how did they do it with the Konvas ONE?!
:)
STOCK
From A. Wed Aug 29 05:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: I am CUBA....Konvas 1 HOW?
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Aug 28, 2001 22:04 PDT
I've seen the movie and one thing i can certainly assure you is that the
camera used on the opening sequence including the fashion show is not
crystal sync, also if you look carefully, there is a substantial amount of
audio drift during the nightclub scene, i do know that the opening scene
from the air is shot with infrared film, the earlier 1m (gray colored) are
not crystal synch, as i got one myself. however i woudnt be surprise if the
motor was governor controlled. however even with a more basic camera such as
a konvas 1, you can still get stunning images provided the negative was
properly timmed. remember in those days, b/w film is still widely used. i
woudnt be surprised if i get some great shots out of my konvases.
ctr
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Subject: [Konvas] I am CUBA....Konvas 1 HOW?
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> I have become intrigued at how the makers of "I am Cuba." (1961-2)
> got those shots that some critics say are some of the
> best B and W shots ever captured (tones etc.).
>
> Now Olexandr from the Ukraine is pretty sure the camera
> used was a KONVAS 1 (not the 1M or 2M or the 70s).
> AND...he said that they wouldn't have used a crystal motor
> either.
> How did they do it? Olexandr is pretty sure that one needs
> the 1Ms or 2Ms to get good footage and that the Konvas
> 1 cameras would waste a lot of film.
>
> I don't think the releasers of the film today (Frances Ford C)
> could have gone back and reshot footage.
> So...experts tell this novice how did they do it with the Konvas ONE?!
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From Steven Wed Aug 29 12:15:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Thanks for the comments! Question.
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Aug 29, 2001 05:15 PDT
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Dear A Chester Ang: Thanks for the words....I have not seen the movie but
only the critiques where they ooooh and ahhh about the B and W tones in the
film. I was very surprised when Olexandr of the Ukraine told me that they would
not have used the Konvas 1M or 2M.
The thing is I want to get a Konvas 1 (very first model) if I can and still get beautiful tones (Black and White) or perhaps color.
I would then not need the more expensive 1M or 2M versions.
My sole purpose is to do silent stock footage and not do sound.
Can I get away with the rheostate motor or is there a difference between
what you call "governed" and rheostat (I am not a tech guy).
Olexandr is very stubborn and said that only 1M or 2M models will give good results.
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what subtle difference there would between
the Konvas 1 and the later Konvas 1M and 2M models...please if you can....:)
Thanks for your time.
Steven
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Dear A Chester Ang: Thanks for the words....I have not seen the movie but
only the critiques where they ooooh and ahhh about the B and W tones in the
film. I was very surprised when Olexandr of the Ukraine told me that they would
not have used the Konvas 1M or 2M.
The thing is I want to get a Konvas 1 (very first model) if I can and still get beautiful tones (Black and White) or perhaps color.
I would then not need the more expensive 1M or 2M versions.
My sole purpose is to do silent stock footage and not do sound.
Can I get away with the rheostate motor or is there a difference between
what you call "governed" and rheostat (I am not a tech guy).
Olexandr is very stubborn and said that only 1M or 2M models will give good results.
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what subtle difference there would between
the Konvas 1 and the later Konvas 1M and 2M models...please if you can....:)
Thanks for your time.
Steven
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From A. Wed Aug 29 12:50:00 2001
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Subject: Re: Thanks for the comments! Question.
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Aug 29, 2001 05:50 PDT
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i am not that familiar with the older version of the konvas, however you must take note that you do need a reliable motors, theses cameras are old, the 1Ms
were already in use from the 60s onwards the older konvas are definitley much much older , olexander has a point about getting a more recent model. and also there seemed to be a lot of konvases availalble in ebay for as low as USD1000 or even less for a whole package, and chances are the motors are a lot more reliable. if you are shooting for stock then your you should be okay with the old reostat motors as long as they dont overheat, otherwise it would be difficultto have em fixed. i use an old arri 2 c for MOS shoots and even though the camera is old at least i know my motor is reliable. governor controlled motors are basically motors running either on 24 or 25fps and is more stable but not good enough for synch sound shoots, you should be ok with regular motors, also there is still the issue of getting your film graded by good lab technician, nowadays i would rely on a good post production facility. remember that if you are using a camera for a particular shoot even for MOS applications you must make sure the camera is mechanically sound, i.e. gotta do some test to make sure the motor is stable and does not drift, registration tests and scratch test on the mag, you can get a qualified camera tech to help you out
also try and get hold of the movie if yo can and would suggest getting it in DVD so you can really appreciate the quality. i think its availalbe in amazon.com i for one am very much overwhemlmed by the movie itself and a lot of the times the shots looked like the cam,era is flying on air. check out the long opening sequence with the b/w infrared to the city scene with fashion show etc...
ctr
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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:15 PM
Subject: [Konvas] Thanks for the comments! Question.
Dear A Chester Ang: Thanks for the words....I have not seen the movie but
only the critiques where they ooooh and ahhh about the B and W tones in the
film. I was very surprised when Olexandr of the Ukraine told me that they would
not have used the Konvas 1M or 2M.
The thing is I want to get a Konvas 1 (very first model) if I can and still get beautiful tones (Black and White) or perhaps color.
I would then not need the more expensive 1M or 2M versions.
My sole purpose is to do silent stock footage and not do sound.
Can I get away with the rheostate motor or is there a difference between
what you call "governed" and rheostat (I am not a tech guy).
Olexandr is very stubborn and said that only 1M or 2M models will give good results.
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what subtle difference there would between
the Konvas 1 and the later Konvas 1M and 2M models...please if you can....:)
Thanks for your time.
Steven
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i am not that familiar with the older version of the konvas,
however you must take note that you do need a reliable motors, theses
cameras are old, the 1Ms
were already in use from the 60s onwards the older konvas are
definitley much much older , olexander has a point about getting a more recent
model. and also there seemed to be a lot of konvases availalble in ebay for as
low as USD1000 or even less for a whole package, and chances are the motors are
a lot more reliable. if you are shooting for stock then your you should be
okay with the old reostat motors as long as they dont overheat, otherwise it
would be difficultto have em fixed. i use an old arri 2 c for MOS shoots
and even though the camera is old at least i know my motor is reliable. governor
controlled motors are basically motors running either on 24 or 25fps and
is more stable but not good enough for synch sound shoots, you should be
ok with regular motors, also there is still the issue of getting your film
graded by good lab technician, nowadays i would rely on a good post production
facility. remember that if you are using a camera for a particular shoot
even for MOS applications you must make sure the camera is mechanically sound,
i.e. gotta do some test to make sure the motor is stable and does not
drift, registration tests and scratch test on the mag, you can get a qualified
camera tech to help you out
also try and get hold of the movie if yo can and would suggest
getting it in DVD so you can really appreciate the quality. i think its
availalbe in amazon.com i for one am very much overwhemlmed by the movie itself
and a lot of the times the shots looked like the cam,era is flying on air.
check out the long opening sequence with the b/w infrared to the city scene with
fashion show etc...
ctr
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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:15
PM
Subject: [Konvas] Thanks for the
comments! Question.
Dear A Chester Ang: Thanks for the words....I have not seen the movie but
only the critiques where they ooooh and ahhh about the B and W tones in the
film. I was very surprised when Olexandr of the Ukraine told me that they
would
not have used the Konvas 1M or 2M.
The thing is I want to get a Konvas 1 (very first model) if I can and still
get beautiful tones (Black and White) or perhaps color.
I would then not need the more expensive 1M or 2M versions.
My sole purpose is to do silent stock footage and not do sound.
Can I get away with the rheostate motor or is there a difference between
what you call "governed" and rheostat (I am not a tech guy).
Olexandr is very stubborn and said that only 1M or 2M models will give good
results.
Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what subtle difference there would
between
the Konvas 1 and the later Konvas 1M and 2M models...please if you
can....:)
Thanks for your time.
Steven
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From patrick Wed Aug 29 14:57:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Thanks for the comments! Question.
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 29, 2001 07:57 PDT
Steve,
I, too, have never used the KSR (earliest Konvas), so I have no way of commenting on Olexandr's claim. For the type of work you plan to do, it seems that the two most critical things in the equation are the quality of the optics and the motor. I completely agree with Chester regarding the motor. You could get by with a rheostat style older motor, but I hear they get very hot and are prone to burning up if you exceed the duty cycle. Never a good thing...
Quality of optics is a no-brainer. Better lenses and better quality control will buy you alot in the end result. Ask yourself and Olexandr what the vintage of the lenses on the KSR are. What condiditon are they in. It is my understanding that early lenses suffered from poor coatings that can cause halos/flares on bright images and could otherwise affect image quality.
In the end, depending on how critical you applications are, you may be better off getting a more recent Konvas 1M or 2M. Of course if the wallet screams, go with the KSR : ) .
Yes, I AM CUBA is a great film. I've seen it several times and now have it on DVD. Definitely check it out if you haven't done so. In addition to the infrared opening sequence, the sugar cane field sequence was shot the same way. Definitely beautiful!
Hope this helps,
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From matt Wed Aug 29 15:58:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Good Image Quality vs. Good camera
From: matt uhry
Date: Aug 29, 2001 08:58 PDT
You guys are right, "I am Cuba" is an amazing movie. But it was not
made
with by a camera, it was made by people. You cannot capture the
essence
of a movie with the same camera, any more than you can duplicate the
essence
of a great meal by cooking with the same pots. Great film images come
from great lighting, grest compostion and sometimes luck.
Furthermore the cameras they were using at the time were new. Is a
1950 chevy
more reliable now than it was then? What if it was not maintained for
the last
20 or so years? Lack of proper maintnence and adjustment results in
poor registration
increased vibration and loss of tolerances which all are in thier own
ways putting
a blur on the image. Kind of negates the point of shooting 35mm in the
first place.
Old optics...especially ones from the days of black and white may not
focus all the colors
in the same plane as well as newer lenses. It is expensive and
difficult to design and
manufacture really good lenses. A single Cooke S4 cost $17,000 ( that
is a single prime
lens! ) Coatings are important too. B&W guys can use filters and
processing tricks
to increase contrast to make up for poor lenses. And the filmmakers of
"I am Cuba" who
were presumably in favor with the equipment providers ( The State ) most
likely had the
pick of the litter as far a getting the better lenses. Don't ask what
people have done
to get good sets of anamorphics from Panavision back in the 70's.
We don't know how many times those guys making I am Cuba had to reshoot
scenes
because of camera problems either.
All this is to say simply, "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR". and since you
also
have the large fixed costs of stock, processing, and telecine, it is
worth it to try to
hedge your bets in favor of having a decent camera.
Sorry if I ran on a bit,
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From patrick Wed Aug 29 20:08:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Good Image Quality vs. Good camera
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 29, 2001 13:08 PDT
Hi Matt,
I hope you splashed water on yourself after your epistle! : )
No, I completely agree with you--a camera is just a tool and the user makes all the difference. I hope I didn't infer from my earlier message that a better camera is the only solution. I was only speaking solely from a technical viewpoint. If I goofed, I'm sorry. I also agree with you in hedging your bets...
All the Best,
Patrick "supplication" Steele
&>You guys are right, "I am Cuba" is an amazing movie. But it was not
&>made
&>with by a camera, it was made by people. You cannot capture the
&>essence
&>of a movie with the same camera, any more than you can duplicate the
&>essence
&>of a great meal by cooking with the same pots. Great film images come
&>
&>from great lighting, grest compostion and sometimes luck.
&>
&>Furthermore the cameras they were using at the time were new. Is a
&>1950 chevy
&>more reliable now than it was then? What if it was not maintained for
&>the last
&>20 or so years? Lack of proper maintnence and adjustment results in
&>poor registration
&>increased vibration and loss of tolerances which all are in thier own
&>ways putting
&>a blur on the image. Kind of negates the point of shooting 35mm in the
&>first place.
&>
&>Old optics...especially ones from the days of black and white may not
&>focus all the colors
&>in the same plane as well as newer lenses. It is expensive and
&>difficult to design and
&>manufacture really good lenses. A single Cooke S4 cost $17,000 ( that
&>is a single prime
&>lens! ) Coatings are important too. B&W guys can use filters and
&>processing tricks
&>to increase contrast to make up for poor lenses. And the filmmakers of
&>"I am Cuba" who
&>were presumably in favor with the equipment providers ( The State ) most
&>likely had the
&>pick of the litter as far a getting the better lenses. Don't ask what
&>people have done
&>to get good sets of anamorphics from Panavision back in the 70's.
&>
&>We don't know how many times those guys making I am Cuba had to reshoot
&>scenes
&>because of camera problems either.
&>
&>All this is to say simply, "YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR". and since you
&>also
&>have the large fixed costs of stock, processing, and telecine, it is
&>worth it to try to
&>hedge your bets in favor of having a decent camera.
&>
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From Mike Thu Aug 30 00:30:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: "I am Cuba" was NOT shot on Konvas
From: Mike Prevette
Date: Aug 29, 2001 17:30 PDT
>From everything I have read about this wonderful movie it was shot with an
Eclair CM3, not the konvas. just search around the web and you'll find many
references to the cm3 and the production of "I am Cuba".
From patrick Thu Aug 30 01:57:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: "I am Cuba" was NOT shot on Konvas
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 29, 2001 18:57 PDT
Hi Mike,
Thanks for pointing this fact out. You're right--most of the major articles
that comment on the camera mention the CM3, so I certainly don't doubt you.
However, I have an article bookmarked that does mention the Konvas in
connection with usage on the film...as soon as I find it in the Hall of Ten
Thousand Bookmarks in my web browser, I'll pass it on to the group for
comparison.
All the best,
patrick
>From everything I have read about this wonderful movie it was shot with an
>Eclair CM3, not the konvas. just search around the web and you'll find many
>references to the cm3 and the production of "I am Cuba".
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From Steven Thu Aug 30 05:01:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: A gamble....:)
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Aug 29, 2001 22:01 PDT
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Dear Chester: All solid good points from you and everyone thanks.....can get away with rheostat
and make sure I a good zoom prime lens.
Too my knowledge, I've NEVER seen quality 1M or 2Ms for 1000 dollars on E-bay.
What I see for less than 1000 dollars is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269517351
What a gamble perhaps...maybe not? What do you think?
Yes....I guess I am a cheap chap.....but being in Thailand on vacation and not having
a 35mm movie camera is heart-breaking...:)
Steven
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Dear Chester: All solid good points from you and everyone thanks.....can get away with rheostat
and make sure I a good zoom prime lens.
Too my knowledge, I've NEVER seen quality 1M or 2Ms for 1000 dollars on E-bay.
What I see for less than 1000 dollars is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269517351
What a gamble perhaps...maybe not? What do you think?
Yes....I guess I am a cheap chap.....but being in Thailand on vacation and not having
a 35mm movie camera is heart-breaking...:)
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From Steven Thu Aug 30 05:17:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: CM3 or Konvas answer.
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Aug 29, 2001 22:17 PDT
Dear Members: Doesn't anyone have American Cinematographer
issue July 1995? It has an article about the making of I AM CUBA
which will resolve what camera was used.
Please tell me...CM3 or Konvas?
I do know that some shots were done over 20 takes to get
it right (takes up to 4 minutes). Nice to have money to burn.
STOCK
From peterh5322 at aol.com Thu Aug 30 06:01:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: A gamble....:)
From: peterh5322 at aol.com
Date: Aug 29, 2001 23:01 PDT
In a message dated 8/29/01 10:02:15 PM, lyleott at yahoo.com writes:
<<
Too my knowledge, I've NEVER seen quality 1M or 2Ms for 1000 dollars on E-bay.
>>
One of the very first complete kits to be sold on eBay went for $800.
I was the second-highest bidder on that kit. And a nice one it was, too.
After the second sale, the seller changed his marketing strategy and included
a substantial reserve price.
So of the two early sales, yes, there were such sales under $1,000, primarily
because there was no reserve price.
But of the subsequent sales, no, there were none under $1,000.
From matthew Thu Aug 30 07:00:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: CM3 or Konvas answer getting old.
From: matthew zatkoff
Date: Aug 30, 2001 00:00 PDT
Here is one place that tells about the konvas being used.
http://www.cinematography.com/store/videos.asp It also tell exactly what mm
lenses he used, so perhaps they know... I don't know. Maybe it was called
sometimes the Éclair CM3 because they're similar, almost look identical, and
somewhere in the line of about 37 years someone got confused. It was a
soviet produced film..??? Anyhow, what does it matter, stop your bickering,
buy your cameras, eat your eclairs and make your own movies, now.
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From haab at excite.com Thu Aug 30 07:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: A gamble....:)
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Aug 30, 2001 00:04 PDT
Hi All,
Came across these links-
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269890969
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1268545806
they may be what you are looking for- I think it goes
without saying- For those of us who are looking to
purchase on ebay, be careful, because, as the addage
goes, you get what you pay for, as I have found out
myself on numerous occasions. the 2M (in the above
link) looks to be serviceable, (as well the other one
if the seller reloads his pics so they actually
work)but I would ask as many questions as possible
regarding last service, if the camera has been stored,
and under what conditions. What is the ownership
history, use history, and has it been used recently.
Its very hard to buy a camera sight unseen without
knowing too much about it, and unfortunately, with
ebay, it can be a leap of faith at times, so get as
much info as possible! Ask to see any tests, extra
pics, and beware of the seller who is in the business
of filmmaking, but claims to not know the conditon of
the camera. (How many DP's or Gaffers, etc. who would
have a piece of equipment and NOT get it checked out)
Be a skeptic, and get all the facts you can. These
cameras are very reliable, but they can also be well
worn and are not impervious to mold, sand, worn-out
gears, and if not lubed for decades :-), have a
tendency to be rather noisy....The camera will
probably perform even if it has been stored for
several years, but you want to make sure you are
getting something that will last also. Searching for
gears can be a nightmare, and assuming you can find
the parts (as I found out on an Ostcam I am
rebuilding) can be quite expensive. Caveat Emptor,
therefore do your homework...Just my 2 cents, at this
point is all academic, and of course, more common
sense than anything.... Remember, there are other
sources to get this stuff from besides ebay. Look in
In-Sync, email Olexandr, Viktor, Anatoly, Lael or any
of the others who may be able to locate this stuff,
with them you know you are at least getting
honesty.... With that you can have complete faith in
the fact that this is one of the best filmmaking
machines for the money.
Good Luck,
Todd Liebman
> Dear Chester: All solid good points from you and
> everyone thanks.....can get away with rheostat
> and make sure I a good zoom prime lens.
> Too my knowledge, I've NEVER seen quality 1M or 2Ms
> for 1000 dollars on E-bay.
> What I see for less than 1000 dollars is:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269517351
>
> What a gamble perhaps...maybe not? What do you
> think?
> Yes....I guess I am a cheap chap.....but being in
> Thailand on vacation and not having
> a 35mm movie camera is heart-breaking...:)
> Steven
>
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From Wylie Thu Aug 30 13:23:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Listserv Bouncing Messages
From: Wylie Sammy F Civ 88 ABW/LCMPS/MPPL
Date: Aug 30, 2001 06:23 PDT
All,
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From Wylie Thu Aug 30 13:27:00 2001
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Subject: RE: Listserv Bouncing Messages
From: Wylie Sammy F Civ 88 ABW/LCMPS/MPPL
Date: Aug 30, 2001 06:27 PDT
I realize that message looked absurd, but the persons on the list have been in and out of "hard" bounce mode for sometime now and do get a message now and then...
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From patrick Thu Aug 30 14:10:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: CM3 or Konvas answer getting old.
From: patrick Steele
Date: Aug 30, 2001 07:10 PDT
Hi Matt,
Thanks for the message...that's the link I was looking for. So I didn't completely hallucinate this whole Konvas thing...someone talked about it.
As far a bickering goes, I don't think anyone is. I think people are just trying to get this stuff straightened out, which is cool. However, I may be ignorant...if we're in a shooting war, lemme know! : )
By the way, how's your Ostcam performing on your current shoot?
All the best,
Pat
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&>Here is one place that tells about the konvas being used.
&>http://www.cinematography.com/store/videos.asp It also tell exactly
&>what mm
&>lenses he used, so perhaps they know... I don't know. Maybe it was
&>called
&>sometimes the Éclair CM3 because they're similar, almost look
&>identical, and
&>somewhere in the line of about 37 years someone got confused. It
&>was a
&>soviet produced film..??? Anyhow, what does it matter, stop your
&>bickering,
&>buy your cameras, eat your eclairs and make your own movies, now.
&>
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Ok, I was overeacting/exagerating about the bicker, I like to do that. I
know that what messageboards are all about, in depth conversations.
My Ostcam is doing very well. The blimp we built for it actually works!! I
guess we should take some pictures of the blimp for your web site huh? I
was supprised that we could shoot sync, only because everyone said it's
impossible to soundproof the beast.
We've shoot only about 10 scenes, and have to reshoot about 3 of them
because we lost one of our locations. The lady who was letting us use her
yard (not under a contract or anything, our mistake) seemed to be a really
nice, trusting lady. But then she decided that she didn't want us doing
anymore witchcraft in her flower bed (we had some bubbling special effects
in the mud.) So she told us never to come back. That's too bad, she could
have been famous.
So, Pat, when are you gonna come here to shoot with us, we're still waiting.
I'm actually thinking about getting a Kinor if things go as planned, so
I'd like to try yours out on a shoot to see if it's what I really want.
Even though the blimp works, putting it in, then taking it out is a time
consuming process when we just want to get one shot we forgot about. How's
your movie going, I want to come to the screening. Talk to you later.
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Hi Matt,
Thanks for the message...that's the link I was looking for. So I didn't completely hallucinate this whole Konvas thing...someone talked about it.
As far a bickering goes, I don't think anyone is. I think people are just trying to get this stuff straightened out, which is cool. However, I may be ignorant...if we're in a shooting war, lemme know! : )
By the way, how's your Ostcam performing on your current shoot?
All the best,
Pat
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&>what mm
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&>called
&>sometimes the Éclair CM3 because they're similar, almost look
&>identical, and
&>somewhere in the line of about 37 years someone got confused. It
&>was a
&>soviet produced film..??? Anyhow, what does it matter, stop your
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From Lee Thu Aug 30 19:16:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: CM3 or Konvas answer getting old.
From: Lee Gaither
Date: Aug 30, 2001 12:16 PDT
In a message dated 8/30/01 11:13:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gramastrangepet at hotmail.com writes:
<< The blimp we built for it actually works!! I
guess we should take some pictures of the blimp for your web site huh? >>
I would like to see some photos.
Lee Gaither
From Vasily Thu Aug 30 22:05:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: A gamble....:)
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Aug 30, 2001 15:05 PDT
Hello haab,
Thursday, August 30, 2001, 10:04:33 AM, you wrote:
hec> Came across these links-
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269890969
hec> they may be what you are looking for- I think it goes
hec> without saying- For those of us who are looking to
hec> purchase on ebay, be careful, because, as the addage
hec> goes, you get what you pay for, as I have found out
hec> myself on numerous occasions. the 2M (in the above
hec> link) looks to be serviceable, (as well the other one
hec> if the seller reloads his pics so they actually
hec> work)but I would ask as many questions as possible
hec> regarding last service, if the camera has been stored,
hec> and under what conditions. What is the ownership
hec> history, use history, and has it been used recently.
[skipped]
thanks for advertising :-) It's my auction. Camera is tested.
I did not make movies on it. But I loaded film and made scrath test,
claw transport and drive test. My auctions always detailed as much as
possible. Please look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269890969
Sorry, you probably saw it when pictures was unavailable, because
pix hosting was dead. now all must be fine.
I sold four konvases and received only good words from buyers.
Not working konvases I am selling to collectors. For example, to
Hugo Perquy from Begium. he is also happy.
Look other my auctions to find Konvas magazines at very
reliable price. My ID on eBay - llc12
By the way, Rafael Pankratau (his ID on eBay - rafcamera) is very reliable
person and he selling only tested Konvas equipment. As I know if he
can buy konvas for $XXX - he pays $XXX+$100-200 and buying it tested
and fully fumctional. If it is not functional he did not bought camera
and did not list it on ebay.
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From haab at excite.com Fri Aug 31 01:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Re[2]: A gamble....:)
From: haab at excite.com
Date: Aug 30, 2001 18:34 PDT
Vasily,
Not a problem. I was just stating the fact that not
everyone is a concerned competent seller- we sometimes
see things on ebay that are questionable- (I was not
referring to your auction as questionable, which is
why I referred the link in the first place- it seemed
to be very detailed even without the pics...)and it
does happen on occasion that deals are made on faith
and the product is not what is described. Sometimes
you have no recourse, and no amount of bad feedback
will get you your money back. Thats the kicker- so you
need to be as well informed as possible as a buyer and
know the equipment you are bidding on. That is all I
was getting at, NOT that your auction was questionable
by any means. Best of luck with your auction-
Cheers!
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> Thursday, August 30, 2001, 10:04:33 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> hec> Came across these links-
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269890969
>
> hec> they may be what you are looking for- I think
> it goes
> hec> without saying- For those of us who are looking
> to
> hec> purchase on ebay, be careful, because, as the
> addage
> hec> goes, you get what you pay for, as I have found
> out
> hec> myself on numerous occasions. the 2M (in the
> above
> hec> link) looks to be serviceable, (as well the
> other one
> hec> if the seller reloads his pics so they actually
> hec> work)but I would ask as many questions as
> possible
> hec> regarding last service, if the camera has been
> stored,
> hec> and under what conditions. What is the
> ownership
> hec> history, use history, and has it been used
> recently.
>
> [skipped]
>
> thanks for advertising :-) It's my auction. Camera
> is tested.
> I did not make movies on it. But I loaded film and
> made scrath test,
> claw transport and drive test. My auctions always
> detailed as much as
> possible. Please look:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269890969
>
> Sorry, you probably saw it when pictures was
> unavailable, because
> pix hosting was dead. now all must be fine.
>
> I sold four konvases and received only good words
> from buyers.
> Not working konvases I am selling to collectors. For
> example, to
> Hugo Perquy from Begium. he is also happy.
>
> Look other my auctions to find Konvas magazines at
> very
> reliable price. My ID on eBay - llc12
>
> By the way, Rafael Pankratau (his ID on eBay -
> rafcamera) is very reliable
> person and he selling only tested Konvas equipment.
> As I know if he
> can buy konvas for $XXX - he pays $XXX+$100-200 and
> buying it tested
> and fully fumctional. If it is not functional he did
> not bought camera
> and did not list it on ebay.
>
> --
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> Vasily
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From Steven Fri Aug 31 08:30:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Thanks!
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Aug 31, 2001 01:30 PDT
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Dear Matt: Thanks for the KONVAS answer....it was done with a Konvas folks!
I am on the right path.....Konvas is the answer to my needs...:)
Now was it a Konvas 1 or a Konvas 1M?.....hee hee....sorry about that.
Steven
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Dear Matt: Thanks for the KONVAS answer....it was done with a Konvas folks!
I am on the right path.....Konvas is the answer to my needs...:)
Now was it a Konvas 1 or a Konvas 1M?.....hee hee....sorry about that.
Steven
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From Steven Fri Aug 31 08:36:00 2001
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Subject: Konvas cameras are hot!
From: Steven Lyle
Date: Aug 31, 2001 01:36 PDT
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Dear Peter: U were one lucky man...complete kit for 800 buckeroonees!
800 today gets you a Konvas 1M in bad condition with rheostat motor,
I shall keep looking....
Steven
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Dear Peter: U were one lucky man...complete kit for 800 buckeroonees!
800 today gets you a Konvas 1M in bad condition with rheostat motor,
I shall keep looking....
Steven
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