Konvas List Discussions: Dec 2001
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From A. Sun Dec 2 17:02:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas-7M
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 02, 2001 09:02 PST
>
Got pictures and info? how much?
ctr
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From Rafael Sun Dec 2 17:40:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: Konvas-7M
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Dec 02, 2001 09:40 PST
Hello Chester,
I don't have pictures (owner is abot 1000km away from me, and he
can't make digital pictures).
As to price, it will be about $2000 + shipping.
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Best regards,
Rafael Pankratau mailto:rafcamera at yahoo.com
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From Rafael Thu Dec 6 14:29:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: price now is lower!
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Dec 06, 2001 06:29 PST
Hello,
I lowered price on set of 4 superspeed lenses downto 1,999 USD.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1304387922
If you needthem, buy them this time around. I'll go for some goods
next week, and can buy them if anyone needs them at such price.
As to Konvas 7M and 8M, I still have no additional info. May be,
tomorrow...
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Best regards,
Rafael Pankratau mailto:rafcamera at yahoo.com
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From matthew Thu Dec 6 16:30:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Kinor - Need
From: matthew zatkoff
Date: Dec 06, 2001 08:30 PST
Hello everyone. I need a Kinor. Could someone try to find one for me?
Thanks
Matthew Zatkoff
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From Rafael Thu Dec 6 18:53:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Kinor - Need
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Dec 06, 2001 10:53 PST
Hello Matthew,
AFAIK, there are few BRAND NEW Kinor's. But price will be about
$12,000-15,000 each. If anyone interested under such price, let me
know. Then I'll negotiate it with owners.
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Best regards,
Rafael Pankratau mailto:rafcamera at yahoo.com
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From matthew Thu Dec 6 18:59:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Kinor - Need
From: matthew zatkoff
Date: Dec 06, 2001 10:59 PST
That would be great to get a brand new one, only I don't have that much
money to spend. If i raise enough I'll let you guys know.
Thanks! Keep a look out for used ones for me.
Matthew Zatkoff
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From Vasily Thu Dec 6 21:27:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Kinor - Need
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 06, 2001 13:27 PST
Hello matthew,
Thursday, December 06, 2001, 6:30:23 PM, you wrote:
mz> Hello everyone. I need a Kinor. Could someone try to find one for me?
mz> Thanks
mz> Matthew Zatkoff
16mm or 35mm? I have excellent and very complete set of Kinor 16SX-2M.
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Thu Dec 6 23:44:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 06, 2001 15:44 PST
Hello,
Please help me with following info:
1. Does it crystal sync at all speeds? Or only at 24, 25?
2. Does somebody can tell me what each pin for.
There are 4 pins inside connector numbered from 1 to 4.
I need to know how to connect power right. Which battery
you'll reccomend?
Thank you very much for your help!
P.S. I will test it (with your help) and soon it will be
available, if anybody want to upgrade existing 15epss to
crystal sync 17ep. That's why I need this information.
Thanx again!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Thu Dec 6 23:44:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 06, 2001 15:44 PST
Hello,
I need some help with info about 17EP-16APK motor.
Please help me with following info:
1. Does it crystal sync at all speeds? Or only at 24, 25?
2. Does somebody can tell me what each pin for.
There are 4 pins inside connector numbered from 1 to 4.
I need to know how to connect power right. Which battery
you'll reccomend?
Thank you very much for your help!
P.S. I will test it (with your help) and soon it will be
available, if anybody want to upgrade existing 15epss to
crystal sync 17ep. That's why I need this information.
Thanx again!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From A. Fri Dec 7 01:35:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 06, 2001 17:35 PST
>
Greetings vasily,
i am interested with the 17EP motors for my 2M , might consider getting 2
units if available, let me know how much you are selling it and if you are
converting itXLR connection to battery
ctr
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From Anders Fri Dec 7 09:52:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: Anders Banke
Date: Dec 07, 2001 01:52 PST
Hello
Vasily Fursov wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Please help me with following info:
>
> 1. Does it crystal sync at all speeds?
Yes.
> 2. Does somebody can tell me what each pin for.
> There are 4 pins inside connector numbered from 1 to 4.
> I need to know how to connect power right.
The two pins closest to the "tap" are minus, the other two are plus.
> Which battery
> you'll reccomend?
12V.
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Anders Banke
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From A. Fri Dec 7 10:25:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Konvas-7M
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 07, 2001 02:25 PST
Hi everybody!
can somebody kindly update me with the latest websaite for the Konvas
thanks
ctr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Photography by Sammy"
To: the konvas discussion list
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Konvas] Konvas-7M
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From Vasily Fri Dec 7 13:30:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 07, 2001 05:30 PST
Hello Anders,
Friday, December 07, 2001, 11:51:12 AM, you wrote:
>> 2. Does somebody can tell me what each pin for.
>> There are 4 pins inside connector numbered from 1 to 4.
>> I need to know how to connect power right.
AB> The two pins closest to the "tap" are minus, the other two are plus.
| |
| |
| |
connector to camera <- | - + fuse |
| - + conn |
right?
It is the same for all 17ep motors? can you provide for sure pin numbers?
they are numbered inside connector. I am worry to connect right.
>> Which battery
>> you'll reccomend?
AB> 12V.
Spasibo, Anders!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Mon Dec 10 01:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Brand new Konvas
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 09, 2001 17:28 PST
Hello Comrades :-)
BRAND NEW Konvas 1M kit with 360 degree rotatable viewfinder,
15EPSS motor, controller, new batteries, 7 mags (2-400ft) and
more available for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1308334569
The cleanest Konvas I saw. I was impressed how it was stored by
previous owners! They follow all instruction from factory to store
camera without work. In special wrapping in humidity and temperature
control room. Each three years - repackaging and checking. They are best.
They bring this camera from 1984 to 2001 in Brand new condition.
I hope somebody will be intrested in this camera.
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Anders Mon Dec 10 10:46:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: Anders Banke
Date: Dec 10, 2001 02:46 PST
Vasily Fursov wrote:
>
> AB> The two pins closest to the "tap" are minus, the other two are plus.
>
> | |
> | |
> | |
> connector to camera <- | - + fuse |
> | - + conn |
>
> right?
It's hard to judge from your ASCII picture. I've attached a small picture
showing exactly what I mean.
>
>
> It is the same for all 17ep motors?
As far as I know, yes.
> can you provide for sure pin numbers?
> they are numbered inside connector.
None of the connectors I've checked have numbers in them.
>
>
> Spasibo, Anders!
Pozhalujsta.
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Anders Banke
filename="17EP-16APK connector.gif"
17EP-16APK Connector
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From Vasily Mon Dec 10 22:17:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: repair set
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 10, 2001 14:17 PST
Hello Comrades,
Intresting item for Konvas 1M and 2M owners available for sale.
It is original from facory kit of replacement gears for your camera.
This kit is from Moskinap factory, not self-made or machined.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1308656403
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Wed Dec 12 00:27:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: 17EP-16APK Motor
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 11, 2001 16:27 PST
Hello Anders,
AB> It's hard to judge from your ASCII picture. I've attached a small picture
AB> showing exactly what I mean.
Thanks, yes we already found the same results. Looks like all
17ep-16apk motors have the same connections.
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Wed Dec 12 00:38:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: some lenses for sale available
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 11, 2001 16:38 PST
Hello Comrades :-)
More items listed for sale, which may be intrested to somebody:
Russian LOMO anamorphic lenses with close-ups (unfortunately it is
for Druzhba camera and one lens damaged), but I hope somebody will
be intrested in conversion.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1309166081
Six lenses for Kinor 16mm:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1309104009
Zoom lens Foton f=37-140mm for Konvas 1KSR and 1KSR-1M:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1309103866
Thank you!
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Sun Dec 16 23:17:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Zoom lens for Kinor 16mm
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 16, 2001 15:17 PST
Hello Comrades :-)
I am selling excellent zoom lense (f=8-75mm with close-up add-on and
f=10-100mm without it) for Kinor 16mm cameras. Do not mix it with
standard zoom which comes in Kinor package usually. It is absolutely
different quality and even technology used.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1310967386
Thank you.
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Mon Dec 17 23:51:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: (no subject)
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 17, 2001 15:51 PST
Hello Comrades :-)
I am selling Kinor 16mm:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1311320175
Thank you!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Wed Dec 19 00:20:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: one more konvas for sale
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 18, 2001 16:20 PST
Hello ,
Another of latest produced Konvas 1M (with turrel) available for
sale. Used, but it is in ok condition and working order.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1311635414
Thank you!
P.S. Sorry, last days probably too much messages from me about
Russian equipment for sale. I appreciate your time and attention.
Thank you!
P.S.2. Tommorow or after tommorow one more notice about Temp 1SKL
for sale and looks like we'll stop selling cameras this year and go
on vacation. If anybody intresting to purchase Temp 1SKL - please let
me know. May be we'll sell it directly.
P.S.3. In January we'll have for sale ABSOLUTELY ARRI COPY (not like
Arri) - it is sharp Russian copy! I do not have access to Arri 2C/2B
and if somebody have access to this camera - I need your help. We'll
make pictures and prepare camera for eBay, than will send one mag and
one lens(or may be whole kit) to somebody, who have access to Arri and
intrested in this investigation too. You will need to check if it is
compatible with Arri and if it is really sharp copy: mag fit Arri camera
and lens fit Arri bayonet. After this we'll know what to write in
description - it is sharp copy (absolutely compatible with Arri) or it
is just very similar, which looks-like Arri 2B/2C. After we'll sell it
on eBay - we'll ship camera from Ukraine to high bidder and will transfer
payment to ship mag and lense to high biddder. So, you will not
carry expences, but will do test for me and others.
Please let me know if somebody intrested in this investigation.
We'll have two of these cameras soon in Brand new condition. This
camera is not yet described on commiecam website. And it is very
intresting too!
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Wed Dec 19 00:37:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Arri copy - picture
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 18, 2001 16:37 PST
Hello,
Here is scan copy from manuls for camera I mentioned in previous
message. Actual pictures of camera will be available later.
Let me know if somebody intrested to check compatiblity with real
Arri. Later we can send pictures and results to Frank and he'll post
it in on his website.
Also, if needed - I can send detailed pictures of Temp for commiecam
website while camera is available and not sold yet.
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="camera.JPG"
Russian Arri Copy Motion Picture Camera
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From A. Wed Dec 19 02:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: one more konvas for sale
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 18, 2001 18:04 PST
i have an Arri 2C and i would be interested to see how close the copy is
ctr
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From A. Wed Dec 19 18:07:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Arri copy - picture
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 19, 2001 10:07 PST
Vasily,
Any news on the russian connectors?
ctr
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From Wylie Wed Dec 19 18:49:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Arri copy - picture
From: Wylie Sammy F Civ 88 ABW/LCMPS/MPPL
Date: Dec 19, 2001 10:49 PST
> Arri. Later we can send pictures and results to Frank and he'll post
> it in on his website.
I would send it to Patrick Steel; he has the Commiecam site!
All credit to Pat!
Frank
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From Vasily Wed Dec 19 21:27:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: Arri copy - picture
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 19, 2001 13:27 PST
Hello A.,
Wednesday, December 19, 2001, 8:13:11 PM, you wrote:
ACO> Vasily,
ACO> Any news on the russian connectors?
All other equipment including connectors will be available only in
January. I am not sure we'll find these connectors, but we'll try.
I think it will be not difficult.
I am asking another sellers from ex-USSR: Victor and Rafael.
If you have right now power connector for 17ep-16apk motor - please
help Andrew. You know - it not cost too much.
I think Victor must have these connectors available. Please contact
Andrew if you have one or few.
Andrew, I will contact you as soon as I find it, but as I said it will
be difficut to do this year for me. New arrivals only in January. My
suppliers are already on Christmas vacation now.
In Russian (for Russian sellers): Andrew kupil u menya 17ep-16apk
motor, no emu trudno peredelat konnektor pod XLR standart. Esli u kogo
nibud est etot konnektor s kuskom provoda - poshlite ego Andrew.
On sdelaet perehodnik pod XLR. On oplatit konnektor i peresilku.
Prosto ya ne dumayu chto za konnektor stoit brat dengi (eto vsyo ravno
chto brat dengi za predohranitely - eto vsyo stoit kopeiki) - nu razve
chto simvolicheskuyu cenu, esli hotite. Kstati, Viktor - zaodno predlozhi
Andrew to chto ti hotel prodat. Prosto u menya net imenno seychas etogo
duratskogo konnektora! Zaodno poznakomites - Andrew klassniy paren!
I otlichniy pokupatel.
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Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From photo at souvenirs.dn.ua Thu Dec 20 17:31:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Kinor-35H (9KSN) available for sale
From: photo at souvenirs.dn.ua
Date: Dec 20, 2001 09:31 PST
Hello, all!
We have pro movie camera for sale. It is Kinor-35H (9KSN) with full kit
of accessories:
- camera;
- 2 Cassettes of 300 meters, 2 cassettes of 150 meters;
- lens F-18mm, F-22mm, F-28mm, F-35mm, F-50mm, F-75mm
- light protective sliding blend (KUSU- unificated light protection
device)
- The electric motor
- The device of focussing of lens, and many many other parts.
The kit contains of 9 aluminium suitcases.
We may provide photos and all information if it will be interesting to
you.
Feel free to email direct to me.
Best regards, Tatjana
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From Peter Thu Dec 20 18:56:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Kinor-35H (9KSN) available for sale
From: Peter Ormrod
Date: Dec 20, 2001 10:56 PST
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From matthew Thu Dec 20 19:03:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Kinor-35H (9KSN) available for sale
From: matthew zatkoff
Date: Dec 20, 2001 11:03 PST
I'm very interested, I've been in search for a package for a while. I'll
email your other email personally.
Thanks!
Matt Zatkoff
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From A. Thu Dec 20 23:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Kinor-35H (9KSN) available for sale
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 20, 2001 15:04 PST
hey, does anyone happen to have a spare russian 4 pin female connector?
would need to use it to connect powerline from 17ep motor to battery
ctr
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From Rafael Wed Dec 26 09:26:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas 1M with manual on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Dec 26, 2001 01:26 PST
Hello everybody,
I just listed Konvas KSR-1M camera. You may be interested because it
come with original manual (in Russian) and with spring motor that
allows you to shot frame-by-frame. If you want to make animation, it
is possibly camera for you.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1314236420
--
Best regards,
Rafael Pankratau mailto:rafcamera at yahoo.com
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From l.camak at att.net Wed Dec 26 13:16:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Konvas 2M: Ecellent Condition on Ebay
From: l.camak at att.net
Date: Dec 26, 2001 05:16 PST
Hello everyone!
I have a fantastic 2M listed on Ebay under item
#1313452823. It runs great, has seen very little use,
and is about as new a kit as you will find. Any
questions, please email me directly at l.camak at att.net
Thanks and Happy Holidays!
Lael
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 03:33:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: (no subject)
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 26, 2001 19:33 PST
Hello Comrades!
I have very strange request for all who purchased from me something
before. I sold brand new Konvas and zoom lens to one person on eBay
and he is very very concern to deal with ex-USSR.
Can anybody, who purchased something from me before simply confirm that
you received all equipment from me as described and I am honest
seller - I will very appreciate this.
I know it is strange request and if you do not want to do it - please
do not do it. This my buyer is a good guy, but he is waisting my time
and very concern to deal with me in Ukraine.
Thank you very much.
His name Thomas Ivanyi and his e-mail: tivanyi at msn.com
Simpy send him shot e-mail (if in past you purchased something from me).
Sorry again I am asking you about this. I asked to confirm succesful
transactions some of my recent buyers and I am not sure I can reach all
of them and they will help me.
P.S. This my buyer is new on eBay and it looks like he simply did not
understand that my feedback is enough to trust me or not. He is very
concern to transfer $2089. Usually in this cases I ship without
payment, BUT he just registered on eBay and he has no positive
feedback yet. And I am also concern to ship without payment. I never
left negative feedback before and I do not want to do it this time I
will follow his request about confirmations/recommendations. And
actually I understand his concerns.
He said that he understand that my feedback rating is good, but he
want to hear from movie equiment buyers about movie equipment I sold
before to them. That's why I am asking you to help me. Thanks again!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Omonike Thu Dec 27 03:34:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: loading Konvas
From: Omonike Akinyemi
Date: Dec 26, 2001 19:34 PST
I just purchased a Konvas 1m and would like to know if
anyone knows what voltage battery to use with the
camera. Also does anyone know of any people
knowledgeable about Konvases in New York City? Thanks...
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From A. Thu Dec 27 07:45:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re:
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 26, 2001 23:45 PST
dont worry vasily, i just emailed him a reassurance that i have dealt with
you succesfully and hopefully he will push through with the sale
ctr
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 11:13:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: [Konvas]
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 03:13 PST
Hello A.,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 9:51:29 AM, you wrote:
ACO> dont worry vasily, i just emailed him a reassurance that i have dealt with
ACO> you succesfully and hopefully he will push through with the sale
Thank you Andrew. First time I met too much concerns from buyer.
I start thinking he waisting my time. But we'll see.
Thanks again to all who helped me.
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 11:32:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: loading Konvas
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 03:32 PST
Hello Omonike,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 5:34:11 AM, you wrote:
OA> I just purchased a Konvas 1m and would like to know if
OA> anyone knows what voltage battery to use with the
OA> camera. Also does anyone know of any people
OA> knowledgeable about Konvases in New York City? Thanks...
It depends on which motor you are using with your Konvas...
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From A. Thu Dec 27 12:01:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: loading Konvas
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 27, 2001 04:01 PST
Btw, here's an overdue credit for Vasily, to whom i have recently made a
purchase for a fine Konvas 17EP motor the merchandise was received promptly
and is as described by Vasily to be in excellent condition.
ctr
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From A. Thu Dec 27 14:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Konvas]
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 27, 2001 06:04 PST
Greetings Vasily,
perhaps you can help me, i am looking for a lens for the 2m that is wider
than an 18mm, i heard that there is a 10mm? let me know if you can find
one, i dont mind if it is not nice looking, what is important is that the
glass is in good condition.> also are there any other accesories for the
konvas such as follow focus, zoom lenses or long telephoto lenses with lens
support?
Hello A.,
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 14:22:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: loading Konvas
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 06:22 PST
Hello Omonike,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 5:34:11 AM, you wrote:
OA> I just purchased a Konvas 1m and would like to know if
OA> anyone knows what voltage battery to use with the
OA> camera. Also does anyone know of any people
OA> knowledgeable about Konvases in New York City? Thanks...
If you have early konvas with rheostat motor - use 6-8V DC up to 9A.
Speed adjusting by rheostat. You need very powerful battery or
AC adapter to provide very stable power to motor. If batteries can not
provide stable power and discharging very fast - you will have
problems with speed stability. But if you have good batteries and
motor was not overheated before - you will have enough stability of fps.
If your Konvas have 15EPSS motor - you need to use 8V DC. Speed
controled by motor controler. Motor has actually two motors inside and
controller operates second motor to stabilize speed. Speed stability
is +/- 2.5%. You will need 8V DC. Using 12 V batteries can ruin
controller and possible you will hear additional mosquito like noise
sound, because some of high voltage transistors inside controller used.
If you use 17EP-16APK or crystal sync motor - you need 12V DC - minus
are two top pins of connector, plus are two bottom pins.
Motor contain a lot of Russian specific logic chips inside - please
use right polarity and appropriate voltage! If motor will be fired -
it will be difficult to repair it in USA!
You also may have another type of motor...
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 14:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[4]: [Konvas]
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 06:28 PST
Hello A.,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 4:03:08 PM, you wrote:
ACO> Greetings Vasily,
ACO> perhaps you can help me, i am looking for a lens for the 2m that is wider
ACO> than an 18mm, i heard that there is a 10mm? let me know if you can find
ACO> one, i dont mind if it is not nice looking, what is important is that the
ACO> glass is in good condition.> also are there any other accesories for the
ACO> konvas such as follow focus, zoom lenses or long telephoto lenses with lens
ACO> support?
I'll try to ask for this lens, but I can do it only in second part of
January, because now all my suppliers are on vacation and I can not
reach anybody. I met only 16mm lens for 1M before. Never saw 10mm
lens for 1M or 2M. But I know it was manufactured. I'll add your
request to my database and will let you know if I'll have something
for sale.
By the way, Comrades, does anybody intrested in square color temperature
filters for matte box? Check your matte box size. It must be
130mmx130mm. If it is so - I have some filters for color filming.
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Omonike Thu Dec 27 15:28:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: manual or working Konvas
From: Omonike Akinyemi
Date: Dec 27, 2001 07:28 PST
i just bought a Konvas that is good physical condition
but when i took it to a camera store, they ran it with
a battery and motor it did not run. the camera
dealers said they may be able to fix it if they have a
manual. does anyone out there know where i can find a
manual or is there a Konvas person in New York that
can help me? Otherwise I may have to ourchase a
Konvas in good condition and working order. Please
email, thanks
omonike
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 15:37:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: manual or working Konvas
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 07:37 PST
Hello Omonike,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 5:28:20 PM, you wrote:
OA> i just bought a Konvas that is good physical condition
OA> but when i took it to a camera store, they ran it with
OA> a battery and motor it did not run. the camera
OA> dealers said they may be able to fix it if they have a
OA> manual. does anyone out there know where i can find a
OA> manual or is there a Konvas person in New York that
OA> can help me? Otherwise I may have to ourchase a
OA> Konvas in good condition and working order. Please
OA> email, thanks
I am sorry, but manual for which type of motor/controller you need?
There a lot of different type of motors for Konvas.
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From Omonike Thu Dec 27 16:09:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Re[2]: manual or working Konvas
From: Omonike Akinyemi
Date: Dec 27, 2001 08:09 PST
hello Vasily,
the Konvas is a 1M 35mm Russian Professional motion
picture camera. The motor is a variable speed motor
with the number 16W 6V 9A 1440 TPM written on it
here is a picture of the item:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292007744
please email if you have any suggestions,
omonike
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 16:47:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[4]: manual or working Konvas
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 08:47 PST
Hello Omonike,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 6:09:26 PM, you wrote:
OA> hello Vasily,
OA> the Konvas is a 1M 35mm Russian Professional motion
OA> picture camera. The motor is a variable speed motor
OA> with the number 16W 6V 9A 1440 TPM written on it
OA> here is a picture of the item:
OA> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1292007744
OA> please email if you have any suggestions,
Look here http://homepage.mac.com/karmitz/motors.htm
It require 6-8V DC. First of all - try to test powercord.
May be problem in power cord only, not in motor!
You can easily rebuild power connector for
appropriate batteries you have and use it with this Konvas.
Drive is simple not sync drive, speed controlled by built-in
rheostat, but it runs with speed approx 1440 revolution per
minute and it is enough stable. If you are using power battery,
which not loose power fast - speed(fps) is stable enough.
Look at attached picture. It works as described below.
At first you need to remove drive from camera and test it to be sure.
connect to "1" and "2" 6-8 V DC 16W 9A power or similar. Motor runs
and speed can be adjusted by adjusting rheostat.
Do not use included power cord - try to test motor with tested power
cord to find where is a problem - power cord or motor.
Find right polarity - swap contacts to see rotation direction.
Now let's see at 3 and 4 connectors and lever 5. When you pressing
lever 5 it connect connector 3 to connector 4. When released
connectors are not connected.
So, you need connect like the following:
3 -> to power supply
4 -> to 2
1 -> to power supply
or
4 -> to power supply
3 -> to 1
2 -> to power supply
it does not matter
Connect power supply. Now pressing lever will activate motor on
camera. Adjust speed looking at tachometer (fps meter) using
rheostat(ring on drive). If you are using very stable power supply
which transform AC power from outlet to DC power (not battery) - you
just need to adjust it once and that's all. If you are using battery,
which loosing power fast during filming you probably need to check time to
time speed and adjust rheostat. Use powerful battery and good cords
and speed will be stable enough.
Attention - do not overheat drive! As I know, you need to use it
during approximtely one minute, than let short time to cool it before
filming again. Try your drive to find how long exactly it can work
without delays. Some people say it can be heated dramatically. Not all
motors. Fine motors works well. Overheated can really heated
dramatically.
Top side of motor has switch "R" "III" and "0".
"R" "III" - working mode. "0" - stop. It also has push lever - it used
to mechanically start motor if it does not run at first second. So, you
conect, pressing lever but motor not runs - press this lever fast and
relese it to start rotation. It is simply instructions.
You can simply unscrew drive and rebuild connectors on drive on more
modern. Or simply install your wires inside motor. Existing are
vintage and to find cord connector which will fit this connectors are
hard in USA.
You also can simply connect only 1 and 2 connectors and use external
switch to run camera on and off. You also can buy modern rheostat and
use it as external rheostat (in this case adjust rheostat on drive in
lowest position). I saw very fine self-made modern power supplies
for this camera. They are very simple and builded on modern batteries
and rheostats.
This camera like all in Russia is like war equipment. Runs and works
with any power works at wide range of temerature and very stable to
shocks, etc. So, do not worry, you can experience with it, it is not
complexive like Arri or others. No electronic inside. All stainless
steel and alluminium. All electric parts very reliable. Just do not
overheat and do not use motor attached with wrong polarity ("plus" and
"minus" connectors on battery) - wrong directioned rotation with drive
attached on camera can destroy rubber connector between drive and
camera.
Problems may be in switch, power cord, wires inside, rheostat.
I do not believe problem in motor, which located inside this handgrip.
Try to dissasemble motor and look inside. There only motor inside and
no electronic. You do not need instruction manual for it.
If you can do it - find any electric technician and allow him to
dissasemble it and test all wires, rheostat and cords.
Nothing special inside, do not worry, you will not destroy something.
I hope all this info will help you.
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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Rheostat Konvas motor how-to
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From Vasily Thu Dec 27 23:50:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re[2]: [Konvas]
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 27, 2001 15:50 PST
Hello A.,
Thursday, December 27, 2001, 9:51:29 AM, you wrote:
ACO> dont worry vasily, i just emailed him a reassurance that i have dealt with
ACO> you succesfully and hopefully he will push through with the sale
Again thanx to all who e-mailed my "concerned" buyer and helped me.
Please stop to do it, because I was right - he is just waisting my
time and try to find a way to avoid finish transaction.
I recommend to all sellers here avoid to deal with him in future.
His eBay ID is "tivanyi" and his name is Thomas Ivanyi. All he try
to do is to find payment which listed like allowed for this auction,
but not for big amount and choose a way of payment, which is impossible
to be finished with high amount. I wroted I accept BidPay, but BidPay
did not allow to transfer more than $700. He want to pay BidPay only and
it is a reason for him to cancel deal.
Sorry for off-topic! And thanks again to all who helped me.
Thank you for your time. Good luck! Thank you Andrew!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From cedar Sat Dec 29 01:21:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: loading Konvas
From: cedar connor
Date: Dec 28, 2001 17:21 PST
I Live in New York and went to Duall Camera (at www.duallcamera.com) for
fixes on my M2.
Cedar Connor
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From Vasily Sat Dec 29 06:27:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: kinor sold cheap !!!
From: Vasily Fursov
Date: Dec 28, 2001 22:27 PST
Hello Comrades!
Just take a look at this!
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315620497
Seller too much stupid to put low "Buy it now" price.
Buyer is very lucky man!
Auction closed the same day it was listed!
--
Best regards,
Vasily mailto:Vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
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From A. Sat Dec 29 11:44:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: kinor sold cheap !!!
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 29, 2001 03:44 PST
i want a dozen! 8)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vasily Fursov"
To: the konvas discussion list
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:28 PM
Subject: [Konvas] kinor sold cheap !!!
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From Barry Mon Dec 31 05:09:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: Barry Green
Date: Dec 30, 2001 21:09 PST
Hi all,
I just won a Konvas 1M on ebay and am anxiously
awaiting its arrival. I've been using an Eyemo, and
am anxiously looking forward to being able to actually
look through the lens! ;) And 400 feet at a time?
Heavenly!
Until it shows up, here's a bunch of questions:
1. Does anybody know if the Konvas can be converted
to 3-perf? or, even better, 2-perf movement? There
was a lot of discussion about Techniscope, and I gotta
say I want to give it a try.
2. I've seen Anamorphic gates offered on ebay, does
anyone know if there's a full-frame Super35 (silent
aperture) gate available? The combination of a Super
Techniscope gate with a 2-perf pulldown would be
simply magical...
3. I understand that the 200-foot magazines are not
very useful. Is it just that a full 200-foot core on
a Kodak spool doesn't fit? If you were to break down
a 400-foot load into three 133-foot loads, would those
work in the 200-ft magazine or are there other
problems?
4. Related to #3, I thought there was some talk about
getting smaller cores, so a full 200-ft load would fit
in the 200-ft magazines. Did this happen? Can we get
those smaller cores anywhere?
5. Are there any still-lens adapters available? I
would *love* to find a Pentax M42 universal screwmount
lens adapter for the 1M.
6. How 'bout a blimp or barney -- any leads? The
link on the commiecam's site seems to be down.
7. I'd like to know if there's anyone who sells the
17EP crystal motor, and what it might cost to upgrade
to it from the 15EPSS.
Thanks!
-Barry
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From A. Mon Dec 31 05:43:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 30, 2001 21:43 PST
Hello,
i was able to buy a 17Ep and a 19 Ep motor (we got a few konvases) your
best bet would be to try and contact Viktor Nikityuk nikitiuk27 at yahoo.com
or you can try Vasily Fursov vasily at e-trade.dn.ua
both of these gentlemen are from Ukraine, these motors are crystal and are
quiet reliable. you might also need to get some extra 5amp russian fuses as
you can't get them in the US. We upgraded our 1M to accept the old east
german Pentakon lenses, these are Carl Zeiss jena lenses and was designed
for 6x7 cm format, if you have access to a machinist, you can easily have
an adopter ring made. heavier lenses may need additional lens support. i
have seen a konvas 1M in ebay that has been converted to accept Nikon 35mm
still lenses, you can check out www.longvalleyequip.com i spoked to a
technician who has succesfully sold his konvas in ebay complete with a
upgrade to nikon lens mount and video assists! the cost of his upgrade is
quiet reasonable considering the amount of work involved. i have recently
tried the peleng 8mm lens on my konvas, it seemed to work but needs to be
centered properly. i read it from american cinematographer that this lens
can be adopted for use with an Arri 35-3 and 435. it's a very cheap lens,
with a pentax screw mount, you might find it on auction in ebay once in a
while.
got any plans for the eyemo 35?
good luck!
ctr
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From Rafael Mon Dec 31 06:06:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Dec 30, 2001 22:06 PST
Hello Barry,
I will offer Super-35 gates today or tomorrow (if my technician will
not delay their production).
--
Best regards,
Rafael Pankratau mailto:rafcamera at yahoo.com
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From peterh5322 at aol.com Mon Dec 31 07:10:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: peterh5322 at aol.com
Date: Dec 30, 2001 23:10 PST
In a message dated 12/30/01 9:44:13 PM, pigdog at borg-space.com writes:
<<
I read it from American Cinematographer that [ the Peleng 8mm ] lens can be
adopted for use with an Arri 35-3 and 435. it's a very cheap lens, with a
Pentax screw mount, you might find it on auction in eBay once in a while.
>>
The lens comes in a neutral mount, and is supplied with Pentax screw mount
adapter (for K-3) and a Nikon F mount adapter (for Nikon still cameras, or
for Freiss and other 35mm conversions, including VistaVision).
The lens itself has a cylindrical surface with a grove for a set screw.
The adapter need only match the cylindical surface, provide one or two
appropriately located set screws, and then match the camera on which it is to
be mounted.
If someone would make a CP-R adapter for the Pelig, I'd be among the first to
buy one.
While the AC ads usually charge $495 for these lenses, they are also usually
available for about $195 from eBay sellers (although you might have to make
an off-eBay deal to get that $195 price).
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From Barry Mon Dec 31 09:04:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: re:New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: Barry Green
Date: Dec 31, 2001 01:04 PST
>
I actually used it to shoot a series of no-budget
commercials for the Better Business Bureaus. I really
like it, I don't know why... it's so unbelievably
primitive, yet it did a gorgeous job. If all works
out with the Konvas I might list the Eyemo on ebay,
but I'd hate to -- it shoots full-frame Super35, and
it's a fully tricked-out setup -- three-lens spider
turret, 400' magazine, electric motor, special M42
lens mount adapter, scads of objective viewfinder
lenses... (don't laugh, I have a Filmo with all the
same stuff -- and, of course, it's been converted to
Super16 too... I know I'm totally wacky, but there's
something irresistibly charming about shooting
widescreen HDTV "format-of-the-future" stuff on a
goll-dang WWII-era military wind-it-with-a-doorknob
old camera... :)
What I'd really like to do is find some inexpensive
way to convert the Eyemo to 2-perf, and experiment
with Techniscope filming. At 2-perf a full 100' load
will last over two minutes! That seems like it'd be
such a luxury, not having to re-load every 60
seconds...
Thanks,
-BG
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From A. Mon Dec 31 10:56:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: re:New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 31, 2001 02:56 PST
I am looking for a 35 eyemo, perhaps you might want to consider selling it
to me, also i might have a spare 17EP motor lying around here, might be able
to sell it to you for a fair price
ctr
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From Peter Mon Dec 31 11:18:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Techniscope 2002
From: Peter Ormrod
Date: Dec 31, 2001 03:18 PST
Couldn't agree more with your attitude. Film cameras are pretty simple
devices really. So why are they so damn expensive to rent and buy? The high
technology is in the film. Well the Russians have to come to our aid haven't
they? I believe Konwas/Kinor cameras will encourage more film makers to use
35mm as a economic option for lo budget shooting. I cannot believe Super 16
is cheaper, when you take into account the camera hire and interneg costs.
Techniscope was big in the late '60s and was used a lot in spaghetti
westerns and the like. Don't know why it isn't used more? Maybe it is a lack
of camera equipment. Well an enterprising engineer could fix that by
converting a few Konwas and Kinor cameras. Remember you get a scope format
with spherical lenses and use half the neg stock. Does anyone know if labs
can transfer the neg directly to DV for editing?
>From Brussels, home of the euro (what's that?), a happy New Year and a rosy
future to us all.
Peter Ormrod
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From Barry Mon Dec 31 16:42:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: re:New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: Barry Green
Date: Dec 31, 2001 08:42 PST
Well, I may very well be interested. Do you know what
you'd be asking for the motor?
Thanks,
-Barry
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From Barry Mon Dec 31 16:53:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Techniscope 2002
From: Barry Green
Date: Dec 31, 2001 08:53 PST
Here's about the only info I can find on modern
Techniscope:
http://www.multivision235.com.au/home.html
It's an Australian lab that believes T-scope is the
way to go, and they have some interesting comparisons
against S16 on there.
The big drawbacks seem to be in finishing on film --
optical or digital blowups, no contact prints allowed,
all means $$$. But for finishing on TV? You get
almost the same-sized 1.85:1 extraction as 4-perf
35mm, but for half the film cost and half the budget.
You get a better 2.35 extraction. You get to use
spherical lenses. And you reload half as often. And
you get vastly more negative area than 16mm or
Super16, and shallower DOF. Seems ideal for finishing
on TV.
I guess the three questions are: a) can we get a
Konvas modified for 2-perf pulldown, affordably; b)
who can make a T-scope gate (probably Rafael); and c)
who does 2-perf telecine? I understand the new
Millennium Machine is factory-designed to handle
2-perf, but the only one of those I know of is at
Pacific Post and I think they charge $900/hr... I'd
like to find someone with a Rank (like Yale at
$175/hr) and see if they can do 2-perf. After all,
the whole point of t-scope is to do quality things on
the cheap, so spending $900/hr to transfer seems to
defeat the idea...
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From Peter Mon Dec 31 17:10:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Techniscope 2002
From: Peter Ormrod
Date: Dec 31, 2001 09:10 PST
Barry, thanks for the information.
Well as far as post-production is concerned it should n't be too difficult
to modify a Rank Cintel or somesuch telecine for 2 perf transfers. There
are quite a few machines on the market now. Why I believe this whole area is
worth following up is that it is win - win for us lo budget merchants (I
should say lo budget and proud of it). Scope picture, half the neg costs.
If the transfer to DV or DigiBeta is cracked then there is only the final
stretch costs from 2 perf neg to 4 perf squeezed print, or is there an
interneg process? We have some expert lab people on this forum, maybe they
can answer this.
Off to a party now, and as a famous British explorer once said "I might be
gone for some time"
Peter
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From A. Mon Dec 31 17:13:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: re:New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: A. Chester Ong
Date: Dec 31, 2001 09:13 PST
>
i just ordered a new motor which is 19EP, it should be arriving at any time
within the next 4-5 days as soon as it arrives, i should be able to spare
my 17EP in the meantime would yiou be interestd in selling your Eyemo 35?
if so how much would you want for it?
ctr
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From peterh5322 at aol.com Mon Dec 31 18:39:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: re:New Konvas user - loads o' questions
From: peterh5322 at aol.com
Date: Dec 31, 2001 10:39 PST
In a message dated 12/31/01 1:04:47 AM, black_angus1 at yahoo.com writes:
<<
What I'd really like to do is find some inexpensive way to convert the Eyemo
to 2-perf ...
>>
The Filmo, and probably also the Eyemo, use a particularly primitive type of
pulldown claw mechanism.
A double surface cam rotates in the shutter shaft.
The two surfaces consist of:
1) an outside surface which is in every dimension the same height as the
inside of the yoke on which is mounted the pulldown claw; as the shutter
shaft is rotated, the yoke moves up and down, and
2) a side surface which is designed to move the pulldown claw into the film
during pulldown only.
There is a slight dwell at the end of the pulldown cycle while the pulldown
claw is withdrawn and this causes the registration.
A return spring withdraws the pulldown claw.
The exposure actually takes place as the pulldown claw is moving upwards,
preparing itself for the next pulldown cycle.
It is a precision machining job, but not a very difficult one. The profile of
the first cam would be duplicated, but the offset from the shaft centerline
would be such that there would be only two perfs pulled down. The profile of
the second cam would not have to be changed.
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From Jeff Mon Dec 31 19:23:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Techniscope 2002
From: Jeff Kreines
Date: Dec 31, 2001 11:23 PST
Peter Ormrod wrote:
>If the transfer to DV or DigiBeta is cracked then there is only the final
>stretch costs from 2 perf neg to 4 perf squeezed print, or is there an
>interneg process? We have some expert lab people on this forum, maybe they
>can answer this.
Telecine of 2-perf material is pretty easy -- many Ranks, and all
Spirits, can accomodate this.
However, there is no longer a simple, cheap way to go from 2 perf neg to
4 perf squeezed print. Technicolor used to have a pretty clever process
for this, but it's long gone. You can either make an optical IP and dupe
neg, or else go digitally from 2 perf to 4 perf in a single generation
(at a cost of $40K and up). Suddenly 4 perf looks a lot more
economical...
There are some good recent examples of low-budget anamorphic features --
"George Washington" looked great, and was shot very cheaply in 35mm with
a Moviecam Compact and JDC Anamorphic lenses. Most of the prints
appeared to be off the original camera neg, risky but they looked really
beautiful.
For most people, unless there's a real reason to shoot 2-perf (underwater
housings) or if it's only intended for video release (not far-fetched)
are probably better off shooting 4 perf or Super-16.
Jeff "likes 2 perf, but understands the problems" Kreines
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From peterh5322 at aol.com Mon Dec 31 19:40:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Re: Techniscope 2002
From: peterh5322 at aol.com
Date: Dec 31, 2001 11:40 PST
In a message dated 12/31/01 11:23:57 AM, jeffkreines at mindspring.com writes:
<<
However, there is no longer a simple, cheap way to go from 2 perf neg to 4
perf squeezed print. Technicolor used to have a pretty clever process for
this, but it's long gone.
>>
This was Technicolor's proprietary "direct to matrix" printing technique,
which also used (and required) "auto select", yet another Tech proprietary
process for negative compositing which eliminated the need for A and B rolls,
and could hide splices even on 2-perf negatives (this was originally intended
to hide splices on 4-perf CinemaScope negatives).
Since very little work is presently being done using dye-transfer, "direct to
matrix" is not an option. And, for those features which are being printed
using dye-transfer, the matrices are apparently being printed from INs, not
from the OCN.
"Direct to matrix" requires three optical printer passes, one for eachprimary
color, and that is expensive. The squeeze is introduced while passing the
2-perf OCN in the printer projection head and the 4-perf matrix in the
printer camera head.
2-perf to 4-perf conversion is still available ... somewhere ... as the
underwater sequences in "Titanic" were done using 2-perf in order to double
the amount of time available on a single camera load.
Reportedly, James Cameron acted as DP for those sequences.
Cameron has brother who works for Panavision and panavision made a special
2-perf camera for this specific shoot.
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From Barry Mon Dec 31 23:36:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: RE: Techniscope 2002
From: Barry Green
Date: Dec 31, 2001 15:36 PST
> For most people, unless there's a real reason to shoot 2-perf
> (underwater
> housings) or if it's only intended for video release (not far-fetched)
> are probably better off shooting 4 perf or Super-16.
I think you're right, whenever you deviate from the "normal" way of
doing things you can usually run into the reasons WHY the normal was is
the normal way. If I was shooting for theatrical or even a short for
film-festival release, I'd definitely shoot academy aperture 1.85:1
4-perf. It sounds like good advice that "if you're making a print,
shoot in 4-perf."
But you're also right, my main interest in 2-perf is for video release -
TV commercials, corporate films, and direct-to-TV stuff.
Well, that plus it's 35mm quality at half the price. Twice as much
negative as S16, with half the DOF of S16, for about the same price.
Seems like a win-win here!
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From Lael Mon Dec 31 23:58:00 2001
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: more 2 perf
From: Lael Camak
Date: Dec 31, 2001 15:58 PST
Hi all and Happy New Year almost!
I use a telecine shop in Atlanta that can do about everything. They have a
new Millenium with Y Front and can do 2 perf, you name it. I just did some
vistavision stuff there and they were using my vistavsion footage for demo
at last Nab. The company is VTA at www.vta.com They make the "steadigate",
a device that has been adapted to many telecines throughout the world to
improve steadiness in the telecine process.
These guys are great and will work with you on price. Best $ bet is to send
in your footage and have them do it unsupervised. I get rates from
$300-650hr. They can telecine now 2K realtime to HD, 4k to hard drive at
15fps, and are close getting to 6k (Why 6k? Well their 65mm gate is due any
day now. The gate itself cost $75k. I think they got a contract to start
telecining Imax's stuff for High rez digital projection.). Anyways, you
spend time talking to Glenn there and he'll cut you a deal 404-634-6181.
Feel free to mention my name - Lael Camak.
One option to putting back to 4 perf would be posting your 2perf 2k on HD,
and then doing a 4 perf neg print from digital. I'm looking at maybe buying
an HD nonlinear suite now. Prices are coming down every day.
Anders Banke looked into converting the 2M to 2 perf recently. I think he
got to the conclusion with his engineer that it could not be done
mechanically due to the movement's design. The Arri 2B and C can be done to
2 perf as well as Mitchells, and probably Kinors. Anyone have any success
on seeing how useful the Soviet copied Arri 2BCs are? Noisey, but they are
probably very useful if converted to 2 perf.
Happy Holidays to all.
Lael Camak
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From Rick Tue Jan 1 01:11:00 2002
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Eyemo TechniScope modifications
From: Rick Garbutt
Date: Dec 31, 2001 17:11 PST
Happy New Year, Gang!
I work as a unit DoP and Camera Operator on shows with major studios, and do
a lot of specialty filming with stuff like macro, time-lapse, and slow
motion to 7,000 frames/second. And I own more than a dozen Eyemos.
The modification for 2-perf is something I've mused about for a very long
time, so it's reignited my interest to see these postings.
Peter is quite correct: the dual-profile cam that actuates both the
pulldown and the insertion/removal of the pulldown claws into the perfs is a
classic Bell & Howell design. And all you need to do is
1. change the profile of the pulldown face of the cam to 50% of its
original stroke
2. replace the aperture mask to accomodate the new, smaller frame height
AND give you exposure on the full perf-to-perf width of the film.
3. recenter the optical axis on the east-west axis of the new, wider
aperture.
The warning phrase is "all you need to do". I have designed many Eyemo
modifications, and my VERY experienced machinist advises that modifying that
cam profile is considerably more difficult than you might think, partly
because, once the new cam is machined, it MUST be case-hardened, or it will
wear about as fast as you shoot film. And since the pulldown stroke with
its dwell is what registers the images, and since there is no registration
pin system in the Eyemo movement, this is CRITICAL.
The bad news is, it's not 2 cams: it is a SINGLE cam, with a compound
surface, and that's one of the things that complicates it all. Trust me.
So working out how to modify that thar cam is going to take some serious
engineering in terms of finding an appropriate material, and having the
metalworking facilities to manufacture a VERY critical cam surface. It goes
without saying that there will probably be one or two prototypes that fail
before the right one is figured out. This tends to be the Way with such
things.
I've made a New Year's resolution to start fiddling with this, and if it's
successful, will be trumpeting the triumph from the rooftops. If someone
beats me to the punch with a reliable conversion, I'd be grateful to hear
about it. And if anyone wants to compare notes, that would be welcome, too.
Long live Techniscope.... er, oops. TechniScopeĀ is a registered trademark
of Technicolor, Inc, so, lest we rouse their lawyers from their slumber,
maybe it would be best to use a Secret Code Word, like, oh, I dunno ....
maybe TScope.
Best to all,
Rick Garbutt, soc
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From peterh5322 at aol.com Tue Jan 1 01:40:00 2002
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: TechniScope, and Other "Marks"
From: peterh5322 at aol.com
Date: Dec 31, 2001 17:40 PST
In a message dated 12/31/01 5:11:52 PM, camradpt at ca.inter.net writes:
<<
Long live Techniscope.... er, oops. TechniScope is a registered trademark
of Technicolor, Inc, so, lest we rouse their lawyers from their slumber,
maybe it would be best to use a Secret Code Word, like, oh, I dunno ....
maybe TScope.
>>
Note that "Technirama", perhaps Technicolor's most successful wide screen
process, is dead.
The claimed "first use" date, 2/2/1953, is clearly bogus.
Note also that "Techniscope", perhaps Technicolor's second most successful
wide screen process, is alive.
The claimed "first use" date, 6/19/1953, is also clearly bogus.
"TechniScope" is equivalent to "Techniscope", for all intents and purposes,
and, therefore, "TechniScope" should not be used, without the expressed
written permission of Technicolor.
Finally, note that "Technivision", which is quite similar to "Technovision"
is also dead.
The claimed "first use" date, 3/27/1953, is, again, clearly bogus.
Based upon the obvious claim of "Technivsion", a completely non-existent
process, vis a vis, "Technovision", a real process, although a short-lived
one, it should be possible to use "Technoscope", for which there is currently
no USPTO database entry.
There are several "Technovision" entries, none of which apply to motion
picture film or processes.
Therefore "Technovision" is either not registered at all, or it is registered
in another country (probably Italy).
Incidentally, Techniscope was an invention of Technicolor's Rome (Italy)
laboratory.
Word Mark TECHNIRAMA
Goods and Services (EXPIRED) IC 009. US 026. G & S: MOTION PICTURE FILM.
FIRST USE: 19530202. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19530202
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 71643123
Filing Date March 4, 1953
Registration Number 0587271
Registration Date March 23, 1954
Owner (REGISTRANT) TECHNICOLOR MOTION PICTURE CORPORATION CORPORATION MAINE
6311 ROMAINE STREET HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15.
Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 19740323
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Word Mark TECHNISCOPE
Goods and Services IC 009. US 026. G & S: MOTION PICTURE FILM. FIRST USE:
19530619. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19530619
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 71649842
Filing Date July 3, 1953
Registration Number 0590018
Registration Date May 18, 1954
Owner (REGISTRANT) TECHNICOLOR MOTION PICTURE CORPORATION CORPORATION MAINE
6311 ROMAINE ST. HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA
(LAST LISTED OWNER) TECHNICOLOR VIDEO CASSETTE B.V. CORPORATION ASSIGNEE OF
NETHERLANDS VOSSENBEEMD 51 5705 CL HELMOND NETHERLANDS
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record PETER M. EICHLER
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Renewal 2ND RENEWAL 19950329
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
Word Mark TECHNIVISION
Goods and Services (EXPIRED) IC 009. US 026. G & S: MOTION PICTURE FILM.
FIRST USE: 19530227. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19530227
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 71644467
Filing Date March 30, 1953
Registration Number 0607016
Registration Date June 7, 1955
Owner (REGISTRANT) TECHNICOLOR MOTION PICTURE CORPORATION CORPORATION MAINE
6311 ROMAINE ST. HOLLYWOOD CALIFORNIA
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 19750607
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
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From Rafael Tue Jan 1 07:18:00 2002
To: the konvas discussion list
Subject: Super-35 film gates on eBay
From: Rafael Pankratau
Date: Dec 31, 2001 23:18 PST
Hello,
I listed two s-35 gates on eBay:
For standard Konvas:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1316801206
And for Konvas with registration pin:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1316801215
Thanks.
--
Best regards,
Rafael Pankratau mailto:rafcamera at yahoo.com