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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Colcam <i><span style='font-style:italic'>is</span></i>
HW Stone. But don’t ask ABC news to confirm that, right HW?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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cinema-bounces@konvas.org [mailto:cinema-bounces@konvas.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>colcam@aim.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, September 09,
2009 2:46 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> cinema@konvas.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon
DSLR</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am not sure how answering in red caused problems, but I
had been working stills to use a DSLR as a director's finder, and most of the
work was done with one of the "04" Canon 10D bodies.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-----Original
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From: Adam P.Jones <adamcjx25@yahoo.com><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Konvas Discussion List</st1:PersonName>
<cinema@konvas.org><br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:35 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon DSLR<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:inherit'>Are you quoting Stone? I couldn't really find it in his
email. Or is this your own experice? The confusion is just because you wrote
in red.<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 9/9/09, <a
href="mailto:colcam@aim.com">colcam@aim.com</a> <i><span style='font-style:
italic'><<a href="mailto:colcam@aim.com">colcam@aim.com</a>></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:colcam@aim.com">colcam@aim.com</a> <<a
href="mailto:colcam@aim.com">colcam@aim.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon DSLR<br>
To: <a href="mailto:cinema@konvas.org">cinema@konvas.org</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:59 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red;font-weight:bold'>I only
"really tried" anamorphics-- but both versions of the 30mm and four
versions of the 35mm worked. The mirror needed to be locked in the up
position, btw.</span></font></b><font face=inherit><span style='font-family:
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Adam P.Jones <<a href="mailto:adamcjx25@yahoo.com">adamcjx25@yahoo.com</a>><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Konvas Discussion List</st1:PersonName> <<a
href="mailto:cinema@konvas.org">cinema@konvas.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:38 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon DSLR<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:inherit'>What a pity. I just tried it roughly with an old rebel
X body i have and only 75mm, 100mm and 150mm seems to fit. 50mm and down
doesn't see to fit. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>Stone, do you remember if you had any luck with the
wider focal lengths?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=inherit><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:inherit'>If it doesn't fit this is a real pity. I would love to
use my Lomo set as my follow focus and other gear would fit them, not to
mention they are real cine lenses and don't breath like still lenses.<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 9/9/09, Adam P.Jones <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a
href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adamcjx25@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">adamcjx25@yahoo.com</a>></span></i></span></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Adam P.Jones <<a
href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=adamcjx25@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">adamcjx25@yahoo.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon DSLR<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Konvas Discussion List</st1:PersonName>"
<<a href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cinema@konvas.org"
target="_blank">cinema@konvas.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:06 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Very interesting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Now that Canon is releasing the 7D, which has
roughly the same size sensor as 35mm motion picture film, the Lomos may
cover the whole sensor. The 5D was a full frame sensor and so the Lomos
would not cover it. But the 7D has a 1.6x crop factor which is basically
the same as motion picture film. The question now is if the lenses would
physically fit. The adapter would have to be only 17mm thick, which is
not a lot. EF mount is 44mm and OCT-19 is 61mm. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I know there's a Panavision adapter to use
Panavision lens with the D but the widest lens that will fit is a 35mm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I would have to measure my Lomos to see which
ones stick farther back then 17mm. But for HD capture having the Lomos
would be killer. Surely beats any Letus 35mm adapter set up with a video
camera.<br>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sun, 2/22/09, H. W. Stone <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a
href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=colcam@aim.com"
target="_blank">colcam@aim.com</a>></span></i></span></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: H. W. Stone <<a
href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=colcam@aim.com"
target="_blank">colcam@aim.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon DSLR<br>
To: <a
href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cinema@konvas.org"
target="_blank">cinema@konvas.org</a><br>
Date: Sundamm.y, February 22, 2009, 10:59 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I made ONE oct19 to Canon 10D
mount adapter.<br>
<br>
It was made from a junked lens, taken apart to create a back flange and
forward cup, the lens mount taken off of a dropped and totaled 2m for the
front, and Bondo Plus to create the body between the two after
measurements. It worked with the anamorphics, the mirror clearing,
and with the three or four sphericals I tried, and I had someone whose
name I will not mention here tell me he could duplicate them in Eastern
Europe if I would loan him my one kluged mount.<br>
<br>
I sent it, his email got changed, and while the package was delivered,
according to the tracking, when I got in touch with him he said he never
got it, then did not reply any further.<br>
<br>
I have been working on the system again, and found from the sensor size
and features that the newer Sony DSLR cameras are a better match-- mostly
because of the fact you can lock the mirror UP and use the screen on back
to compose and shoot-- which means mirror clearance no longer
matters. <br>
<br>
Interestingly the Canon DSLR people don't really want to talk to me-- and
it infuriates the DV guys, who apparently cannot even get them to respond
within the company, and it appears the Sony DSLR people were chosen from
those who took a basic intelligence test and did not pass it. No
one even wanted to talk to me about which models had what sensors at what
size and the mirror lock up features-- I had to measure some to
find out. The Nikon people were downright hostile-- their
push on the DSLR bodies is to sell their lenses, and as soon as I
explained what I wanted to do they refused to even answer me any
further. <br>
<br>
It should (make that <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>SHOULD</span></b>
in all caps and boldface) be fairly simple to make a mount adapter for
the new "HD out of a DSLR" bodies by either Nikon or Canon
since the mirrors lock up for the HD use-- if you can find the area of
the sensor used and figure out how to make sure the mirror is KEPT up
even if the battery dies. <br>
<br>
That just happens to be in opposition to the planned sales pattern.<br>
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From: Bruce McNaughton <<a
href="http://us.mc515.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bruce@arandafilm.com.au"
target="_blank">bruce@arandafilm.com.au</a>><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Konvas Discussion List</st1:PersonName>
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target="_blank">cinema@konvas.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 2:09 am<br>
Subject: Re: [Konvas] OCT-19 Canon DSLR<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am not as familiar with OCT18 as OCT19.
I know that the lens barrels are not as wide, which is helpful but
the protruding of the lenses behind the mount seems to be a close call.
I would have to have the equipment in front of me to advise
further. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 22 Feb 2009, at 17:58, Brad Leong wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><span style='-x-system-font: none;
font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal;word-spacing:0px'>What about
a OCT-18 DSLR mount the little lomo oct-18s that I have don't seem to
project that far back from their mounting position.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The oct-18 with a falnge focal of
57mm will project out 13mm from the canon body. The oct-18 lenses
that I have seem to sit 20mm or less back into the mount... so it's tight
but maybe they will clear the mirror???? Thoughts????<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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geometry is right as the OCT mount will stand some 20MM ( if memory
serves) out from the Canon mount. The restricting factor is the size
of the(LOMO) lens that you wish to use. If the lens seats deeply
into an OCT mount it may interfere with the canon end of the special
adaptor. Generally long lenses are OK, short ones could give trouble. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras<br>
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Be sure to Check out the online Forums:<br>
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about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras<br>
<br>
Be sure to Check out the online Forums:<br>
<a href="http://konvas.org/forum/index.php" target="_blank">http://konvas.org/forum/index.php</a><br>
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Visit the discussion archives:<br>
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