[Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question

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I can see reasons for wanting to shoot 16mm, and actually like "standard frame" 16mm cropped to 1.78 better than super16 because it has more than enough resolution for a 1920 scan at low cost and I am used to losing head and foot shooting 35mm for 1.85 display, anyway. 

And I admit I sank some coins into Auricon and Arri bodies because they were the best I could get in terms of being user friendly.   I believe I still have a Frezzi H16 I used to shoot commercials and some drop in footage for low budget replacements.  That was the Frezzolini "upright" built on an Auricon body with a pistol grip for news or handheld use. 

I loaned it to several people to learn on, and most of them discovered that second rate cameras and second rate lenses and second rate lighting in 35mm didn't look anywhere as good as a Frezzi with an Angenieux zoom hanging on the front with good film and good lighting. 

I loved the Kinor35S with LOMO glass, but hated the K- series with the poor lenses they seemed to push on it.   I liked the Arri BL, too, and the SR series, but not the IIb/IIc/IImedical or the pre-SR in 16mm.  It seems that there is an H on eBay, but at the same kind of price as an Arri, and it is in Spain, of all places-- and needs an overhaul. 

This just is not fair.  To get the cameras and lenses, then pay for film and stock to make 16mm sing you spend almost as much as a low cost but solid 35mm and recan/processing, exactly the way it was thirty years ago. 

On the other hand, I got got a quote on a test digital camera with one zoom permanently mounted on it, two batteries, charger, and video streamer to a huge raid outfit, and buying an ocean front house is cheaper. 

I guess I am just an image snob, but that camera actually delivered a test that was above 35mm 1.85 and doggone close to better than anamorphic 35mm delivered images.  

Can we go back to crayons?   

 

 

 

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From: Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>




A fresh can of 400' 35mm couldn't be the same price as what, a 200' can of 16mm? 200' 16mm runs ~5.5 min and the 400' 35mm runs ~4.5 at 24fps? Mmm, I seem to remember a factory fresh 400' can of V3 35mm ran about $350 a few years back. Now, if you're talking 2-perf 35mm... okay...


I see a lab in LA offering fresh 200' reels for $200 with processing included. A recan 400' of 35mm is going to run $200 without processing. Finding recans or whatever of 16 is dang near impossible, true. Then there is the scanning cost which will be a significantly higher range for 35. But this won't be an issue soon I hope ;-)


A beat up Arri SRII fully decked will run ya ~2k or 3k even in today's market (I nabbed a fully loaded A Minima PL for an absolute steal of a price coupla months back; but Aatons tend to run for a premium). But we're talking a spring movement 16mm... Low end range Bolex cams are going for ~300 with lenses. I found minty looking K1/2s go for about $100. Shipping will be a little more from Russia/Uk. Just curious how steady the image will be... For a beater, grab-and-go, fun for all ages, some assembly required batteries not included camera, the chrome edging and fashionable striped beauty plate on the front requires that I tie my sweater about my neck and wear a beret, smoke a cigarette in a long holder, and use flashy words like 'jazzy' and 'cat' and phrases akin to, "Where's my latte????" And I already SAY stuff like that and wear my sweater tied about my neck! (True story!) Now, I just need to build a bunch of post-drop-box-sized, hand-crank mobile 16mm viewers to station around LA so people can watch my low-tec youtube-style films. Mmm, no.


Anyhow, I will letcha know how bad it hurts when I end up in the ditch...


Brandon "watch out for that truck" Esten





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