From kelleymailbox at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 17:50:39 2018
From: kelleymailbox at gmail.com (Kelley Cross)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 14:50:39 -0800
Subject: [Konvas] Lomo 25-250 (50-500mm) Zoom with anamorphic attachment for
 sale
Message-ID: <CA3C7F0E6D944813AD814D5B29BE6080@KelleyWrites>

Hi all,

I?m going to list this one on ebay probably Wednesday or Thursday this week. I?m looking for $4,800 for this and would prefer to sell it to someone from the group before somebody on ebay. I?m going to paste the ebay blurb here:

Lomo 25-250mm Cine Zoom lens with Anamorphic rear lens element

This is a Lomo 25-250mm zoom lens in very good condition; serial #800003, made in 1980. Included is an anamorphic lens element (50-500mm)  that attaches to the rear of the lens. This element converts the lens to anamorphic, yielding a focal range of 50-500mm.

The lens has the proprietary oct-19 mount. It is common to convert these to PL mounts. I chose not to, as all of my lenses I shoot are oct-19. 

Along with the ebay photos, I?ve posted some test shots and footage on the folowing link: http://www.badassfilm.com/lomo-anamorphic/

There are some light cleaning marks on the lens, but as you will see in the test shots, the imagery is in no way affected. I find that this lens yields a warm cinematic 70s look throughout the entire focal range. 

The lens will open to f/4, but the blades stiffen past 5.6. This is something that should be addressed with a lens tech, but 5.6 and above, the aperture glides freely. 

Please note that the support ring shown in the photo is included, but the dovetail and support bracket are not included. 

Please send any questions. I respond promptly.

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If anyone is interested, please contact me offlist. Cheers all, and Happy Holidays.

Best,
Kelley Cross
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 03:42:16 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:42:16 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
Message-ID: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>

Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)

For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? 


? ????? ?????!
Brandon




Sent from my iPhone

From higginm6 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 05:25:57 2018
From: higginm6 at gmail.com (Michael Higgins)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 10:25:57 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
In-Reply-To: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
References: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073A78FA-A599-4F82-89C1-BEF9825F0610@gmail.com>

Brandon,
I've shot successfully on the 16mm Krag. with TriX a few years back. Although I heard recently it does have tendency to jam easily if the loops are not the correct sizes. 

Best,

Michael
http://mgmh.me

> On 5 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)
> 
> For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? 
> 
> 
> ? ????? ?????!
> Brandon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
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> 
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Fri Jan  5 06:38:59 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:38:59 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
In-Reply-To: <073A78FA-A599-4F82-89C1-BEF9825F0610@gmail.com>
References: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
	<073A78FA-A599-4F82-89C1-BEF9825F0610@gmail.com>
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Hi Brandon,

I understand it can be used with double or single perks. Depends I suppose where the pull down claw is located left of right. Otherwise you will have to rewind the spool to adapt. Reliable mechanisms and good solid cameras. Never used one but have held one and was impressed. The early ones with the magazines are fairly cheap nowadays.

Regards RIta

On 5 Jan 2018, at 10:25, Michael Higgins via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

Brandon,
I've shot successfully on the 16mm Krag. with TriX a few years back. Although I heard recently it does have tendency to jam easily if the loops are not the correct sizes. 

Best,

Michael
http://mgmh.me

> On 5 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)
> 
> For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? 
> 
> 
> ? ????? ?????!
> Brandon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
> 
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 07:11:44 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:11:44 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
In-Reply-To: <9CC95EE5-276F-4279-A255-4FE0E3605203@acousticturtle.plus.com>
References: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
	<073A78FA-A599-4F82-89C1-BEF9825F0610@gmail.com>
	<9CC95EE5-276F-4279-A255-4FE0E3605203@acousticturtle.plus.com>
Message-ID: <6A733181-BA56-45AC-8671-507CDE0B252C@gmail.com>

Thanks Rita! Yes I have a couple of data points now confirming all models of the Kragy have only 1 round of driving teeth so single perf is good. Now, you point out another good issue to bear in mind!

Thanks for the quick reply :-)
Brandon "He's buying WOT" Esten


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 20:38, RIta Avery via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandon,
> 
> I understand it can be used with double or single perks. Depends I suppose where the pull down claw is located left of right. Otherwise you will have to rewind the spool to adapt. Reliable mechanisms and good solid cameras. Never used one but have held one and was impressed. The early ones with the magazines are fairly cheap nowadays.
> 
> Regards RIta
> 
> On 5 Jan 2018, at 10:25, Michael Higgins via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Brandon,
> I've shot successfully on the 16mm Krag. with TriX a few years back. Although I heard recently it does have tendency to jam easily if the loops are not the correct sizes. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Michael
> http://mgmh.me
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)
>> 
>> For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? 
>> 
>> 
>> ? ????? ?????!
>> Brandon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Fri Jan  5 07:47:43 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 12:47:43 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
In-Reply-To: <6A733181-BA56-45AC-8671-507CDE0B252C@gmail.com>
References: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
	<073A78FA-A599-4F82-89C1-BEF9825F0610@gmail.com>
	<9CC95EE5-276F-4279-A255-4FE0E3605203@acousticturtle.plus.com>
	<6A733181-BA56-45AC-8671-507CDE0B252C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8042C69-1B12-44E1-B922-6D706E80793A@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Brandon,

Everybody is asking ?WHY? ?

Price of 16mm is now the same as 35mm.

RIta

On 5 Jan 2018, at 12:11, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

Thanks Rita! Yes I have a couple of data points now confirming all models of the Kragy have only 1 round of driving teeth so single perf is good. Now, you point out another good issue to bear in mind!

Thanks for the quick reply :-)
Brandon "He's buying WOT" Esten


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 20:38, RIta Avery via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brandon,
> 
> I understand it can be used with double or single perks. Depends I suppose where the pull down claw is located left of right. Otherwise you will have to rewind the spool to adapt. Reliable mechanisms and good solid cameras. Never used one but have held one and was impressed. The early ones with the magazines are fairly cheap nowadays.
> 
> Regards RIta
> 
> On 5 Jan 2018, at 10:25, Michael Higgins via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Brandon,
> I've shot successfully on the 16mm Krag. with TriX a few years back. Although I heard recently it does have tendency to jam easily if the loops are not the correct sizes. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Michael
> http://mgmh.me
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)
>> 
>> For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? 
>> 
>> 
>> ? ????? ?????!
>> Brandon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cinema mailing list
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>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>> 
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>> 
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
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From colcam at aim.com  Fri Jan  5 09:46:55 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
In-Reply-To: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
References: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
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I am going to say something strange here.

What is the justification or reason for the Soviet 16mm?  The German, Swiss, and American 16mm were better cameras by a long shot, and Soviet 16mm glass was less than perfect.  

I kind of feel that Soviet 16mm systems are the Trabant in a parking lot full of Euro/US cars.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
To: cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
Cc: Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 3:42 am
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question

Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? ? ????? ?????!BrandonSent from my iPhoneWE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html_______________________________________________Cinema mailing listCinema at konvas.orghttp://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema CamerasVisit the discussion archives:http://konvas.org/list-archives.htmlJoin the Konvas Discussion List:http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.orgPlease be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 10:46:02 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 00:46:02 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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A fresh can of 400' 35mm couldn't be the same price as what, a 200' can of 16mm? 200' 16mm runs ~5.5 min and the 400' 35mm runs ~4.5 at 24fps? Mmm, I seem to remember a factory fresh 400' can of V3 35mm ran about $350 a few years back. Now, if you're talking 2-perf 35mm... okay...

I see a lab in LA offering fresh 200' reels for $200 with processing included. A recan 400' of 35mm is going to run $200 without processing. Finding recans or whatever of 16 is dang near impossible, true. Then there is the scanning cost which will be a significantly higher range for 35. But this won't be an issue soon I hope ;-)

A beat up Arri SRII fully decked will run ya ~2k or 3k even in today's market (I nabbed a fully loaded A Minima PL for an absolute steal of a price coupla months back; but Aatons tend to run for a premium). But we're talking a spring movement 16mm... Low end range Bolex cams are going for ~300 with lenses. I found minty looking K1/2s go for about $100. Shipping will be a little more from Russia/Uk. Just curious how steady the image will be... For a beater, grab-and-go, fun for all ages, some assembly required batteries not included camera, the chrome edging and fashionable striped beauty plate on the front requires that I tie my sweater about my neck and wear a beret, smoke a cigarette in a long holder, and use flashy words like 'jazzy' and 'cat' and phrases akin to, "Where's my latte????" And I already SAY stuff like that and wear my sweater tied about my neck! (True story!) Now, I just need to build a bunch of post-drop-box-sized, hand-crank mobile 16mm viewers to station around LA so people can watch my low-tec youtube-style films. Mmm, no.

Anyhow, I will letcha know how bad it hurts when I end up in the ditch...

Brandon "watch out for that truck" Esten




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 23:46, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> I am going to say something strange here.
> 
> What is the justification or reason for the Soviet 16mm?  The German, Swiss, and American 16mm were better cameras by a long shot, and Soviet 16mm glass was less than perfect.  
> 
> I kind of feel that Soviet 16mm systems are the Trabant in a parking lot full of Euro/US cars.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
> To: cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
> Cc: Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 3:42 am
> Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
> 
> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-) For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? ? ????? ?????! Brandon Sent from my iPhone WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money. Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated: http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html _______________________________________________ Cinema mailing list Cinema at konvas.org http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras Visit the discussion archives: http://konvas.org/list-archives.html Join the Konvas Discussion List: http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
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From taylorcobmw at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 11:39:10 2018
From: taylorcobmw at yahoo.com (Bruce Taylor)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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I took a cinematography class at the local community college about a decade ago. They were still using 16mm film to teach, and the school had some Kragnagorsk 16mm cameras for students to use if they didn't have something else to use. It was unfortunate that they didn't have something better, many students were terribly frustrated with the loop problems and jamming. Someone who knows what they are doing would probably have better luck, but still, I never heard many good things about them and the optics were apparently not so great.
Bruce Taylor

      From: Michael Higgins via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
 Subject: Re: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
   
Brandon,
I've shot successfully on the 16mm Krag. with TriX a few years back. Although I heard recently it does have tendency to jam easily if the loops are not the correct sizes. 

Best,

Michael
http://mgmh.me

> On 5 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-)
> 
> For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? 
> 
> 
> ? ????? ?????!
> Brandon
> 
> 
> 
>?
   
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From frey at freysbrewing.com  Fri Jan  5 11:41:23 2018
From: frey at freysbrewing.com (Adam Frey)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:41:23 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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I agree with Colcam. I bought a K-3 a long time ago and never did get the dang thing to work properly without chewing up at least a few perfs here and there. I sold mine and moved on to a 16mm Filmo, which are extremely well built and practically never have issues. Never messed with or have even seen a real K-1 or K-2 up close.

That said, list member David Crosson had a K-3 we did a test roll with; we shot it here on the farm and it looked decent enough, IMO. It had lots of flare, but the 17-69mm Zenit zoom was kinda limiting - you?d be doing a lot of running to get all the shots needed. Luckily it?s an M42 lens mount, so you can swap it out with other lenses. The Zenit isn?t going to compare to LOMO lenses in any way though. As for the camera body - it?s loud as all get out, only holds 100? of film, kinda hard to load, and tends to have light leaks. If you can get the film to load and not get eaten, you?re better than me.

Most buy the the K-3 unopened from their Soviet days and immediately send them off to get rebuilt - so you?ll drop a lot more money on it than the up front expected costs. If you want to convert them to Super16, it?s gonna cost even more. You could possibly do some (all?) of the work yourself, if you have the right tools and the know-how, but I doubt you?d make your money back for all the time invested and specific tools needed after you sold it.

P.S. David Crosson ran me over with the Filmo?s big brother, the 35mm Eyemo, on a film shoot one time. What a good memory... bahaha

Cheers!

Adam Frey
Frey's Brewing Company
http://freysbrewing.com
8601 Mapleville Road
Mount Airy, MD 21771

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> On Jan 5, 2018, at 09:46, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> I am going to say something strange here.
> 
> What is the justification or reason for the Soviet 16mm?  The German, Swiss, and American 16mm were better cameras by a long shot, and Soviet 16mm glass was less than perfect.  
> 
> I kind of feel that Soviet 16mm systems are the Trabant in a parking lot full of Euro/US cars.
> 
> 
> 
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> To: cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
> Cc: Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 5, 2018 3:42 am
> Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
> 
> Hey Konvateers! Question guy here :-) For the 16mm Kragy 1 and 2 hand-wound spring models, can they chew on Kodak single-perf or are we looking at Russian-only film stock for these two? ? ????? ?????! Brandon Sent from my iPhone WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money. Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated: http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html _______________________________________________ Cinema mailing list Cinema at konvas.org http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras Visit the discussion archives: http://konvas.org/list-archives.html Join the Konvas Discussion List: http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
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From taylorcobmw at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 12:20:16 2018
From: taylorcobmw at yahoo.com (Bruce Taylor)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:20:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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Funny, I was also thinking about the Bell & Howell Filmo as an alternative. One of the most robust cameras ever, simple, reliable, decent optics.
?Bruce Taylor

      From: Adam Frey via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
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I agree with Colcam. I bought a K-3 a long time ago and never did get the dang thing to work properly without chewing up at least a few perfs here and there. I sold mine and moved on to a 16mm Filmo, which are extremely well built and practically never have issues. Never messed with or have even seen a real K-1 or K-2 up close.
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From obscureimages at comcast.net  Fri Jan  5 13:32:31 2018
From: obscureimages at comcast.net (Stanley Bullock)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:32:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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Hey Brandon,


Please remember that the A Minima spools are different from a traditional 200' daylight spool. The A Minima requires an A wind (emulsion out) instead of the more standard B wind. Many labs will wind your film onto an A Minima spool for a small fee. Also, make sure the processing lab returns your spools; they are not the same as a 200' daylight spool and are getting harder to find. The A minima spools are driven by their edge, not from the center. Again, all of this can be mitigated by a friendly lab, so call a few in advance. :)

Prices for S16 gear is creeping upwards again. I purchased an Arri SR2 a couple of years back from a used equipment supplier and I've noticed that prices are now $1K to 1.5K higher for the same rig than they were a year or so ago.


In my opinion, I'd ditch the Krasnogorsk idea. I used them in film school - man, such a long time ago! - and they were guaranteed to chew up at least some of the film and lose their loop frequently. Get yourself a Bolex, preferably an SBM or REX 5 that was factory S16 or modified. More expensive? Absolutely. Destroy film? Lose loop? Nope. You get what you pay for. I've been using an SBM for years.

Also, I've been purchasing stock directly from Kodak. 16mm is not nearly as expensive as 35mm. 400' of 16mm has a TRT of 11 minutes. Compare that to 1,000' of 35mm, which also runs roughly 11 minutes. 400' of 16mm Vision 3 is about $175, whereas 1,000' of 35mm Vision 3 runs about $770. Of course, as you stated, 35mm re-cans and short ends are much easier to find than 16mm re-cans and short ends, so it just depends on what your needs and preferences are.


Hope all is well with you and everyone.


Happy New year, all.


Scott



Stanley Scott Bullock

Obscure Images, LLC

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From colcam at aim.com  Fri Jan  5 14:06:13 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:06:13 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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I can see reasons for wanting to shoot 16mm, and actually like "standard frame" 16mm cropped to 1.78 better than super16 because it has more than enough resolution for a 1920 scan at low cost and I am used to losing head and foot shooting 35mm for 1.85 display, anyway. 

And I admit I sank some coins into Auricon and Arri bodies because they were the best I could get in terms of being user friendly.   I believe I still have a Frezzi H16 I used to shoot commercials and some drop in footage for low budget replacements.  That was the Frezzolini "upright" built on an Auricon body with a pistol grip for news or handheld use. 

I loaned it to several people to learn on, and most of them discovered that second rate cameras and second rate lenses and second rate lighting in 35mm didn't look anywhere as good as a Frezzi with an Angenieux zoom hanging on the front with good film and good lighting. 

I loved the Kinor35S with LOMO glass, but hated the K- series with the poor lenses they seemed to push on it.   I liked the Arri BL, too, and the SR series, but not the IIb/IIc/IImedical or the pre-SR in 16mm.  It seems that there is an H on eBay, but at the same kind of price as an Arri, and it is in Spain, of all places-- and needs an overhaul. 

This just is not fair.  To get the cameras and lenses, then pay for film and stock to make 16mm sing you spend almost as much as a low cost but solid 35mm and recan/processing, exactly the way it was thirty years ago. 

On the other hand, I got got a quote on a test digital camera with one zoom permanently mounted on it, two batteries, charger, and video streamer to a huge raid outfit, and buying an ocean front house is cheaper. 

I guess I am just an image snob, but that camera actually delivered a test that was above 35mm 1.85 and doggone close to better than anamorphic 35mm delivered images.  

Can we go back to crayons?   

 

 

 

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A fresh can of 400' 35mm couldn't be the same price as what, a 200' can of 16mm? 200' 16mm runs ~5.5 min and the 400' 35mm runs ~4.5 at 24fps? Mmm, I seem to remember a factory fresh 400' can of V3 35mm ran about $350 a few years back. Now, if you're talking 2-perf 35mm... okay...


I see a lab in LA offering fresh 200' reels for $200 with processing included. A recan 400' of 35mm is going to run $200 without processing. Finding recans or whatever of 16 is dang near impossible, true. Then there is the scanning cost which will be a significantly higher range for 35. But this won't be an issue soon I hope ;-)


A beat up Arri SRII fully decked will run ya ~2k or 3k even in today's market (I nabbed a fully loaded A Minima PL for an absolute steal of a price coupla months back; but Aatons tend to run for a premium). But we're talking a spring movement 16mm... Low end range Bolex cams are going for ~300 with lenses. I found minty looking K1/2s go for about $100. Shipping will be a little more from Russia/Uk. Just curious how steady the image will be... For a beater, grab-and-go, fun for all ages, some assembly required batteries not included camera, the chrome edging and fashionable striped beauty plate on the front requires that I tie my sweater about my neck and wear a beret, smoke a cigarette in a long holder, and use flashy words like 'jazzy' and 'cat' and phrases akin to, "Where's my latte????" And I already SAY stuff like that and wear my sweater tied about my neck! (True story!) Now, I just need to build a bunch of post-drop-box-sized, hand-crank mobile 16mm viewers to station around LA so people can watch my low-tec youtube-style films. Mmm, no.


Anyhow, I will letcha know how bad it hurts when I end up in the ditch...


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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 18:57:03 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:57:03 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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Whelp! Gotta go with the crowd on this one. If these babies jam so easy, and all for 100' of sub-par lens magic... but that catchy beauty plate! I was the kind of kid who, after unsuccessfully getting two pieces of an erector set to stay together for more than 5 minutes would throw it all in the trash (where it squarely belonged), so the Kraggy will probably render me a tit cranky. Ah, erector sets. Don't get me started. Legos? Yeah I can do those all day. 

Hey Scott! Happy new year to everyone :-)
Mmm, indeed yes, I did my homework on the Minima. Mine came with 3 mags and 8 spools otherwise I'd have passed it up. The super nice thing about it is it's tiny with a PL mount. M?vi or drone country methinks. I've tried threading it. TRIED. Where's that blasted erector set. Oh and supposebly daylight spools???? That French cat guy musta been outta his mind MAD. No waaaay. There is just no way. Okay maybe I'll try it out for a larff one day, but no way. Took a look at XTR prods last email in this thread, darned pretty lookin' rig right there. Not for $6-grand pretty. But an SRII is the way to go.

So! Anyone here ever use one o'them fancy Eumig 16's? 


Brandon 'he pullin that stump out with his car' Esten


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From colcam at aim.com  Fri Jan  5 19:43:29 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 19:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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Then this might not be a good time to mention making a dolly track out of erector sets across a brick courtyard and running a Bolex 16mm with a one hundred foot load each pass across the courtyard?

 

 

 

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Whelp! Gotta go with the crowd on this one. If these babies jam so easy, and all for 100' of sub-par lens magic... but that catchy beauty plate! I was the kind of kid who, after unsuccessfully getting two pieces of an erector set to stay together for more than 5 minutes would throw it all in the trash (where it squarely belonged), so the Kraggy will probably render me a tit cranky. Ah, erector sets. Don't get me started. Legos? Yeah I can do those all day. Hey Scott! Happy new year to everyone :-)Mmm, indeed yes, I did my homework on the Minima. Mine came with 3 mags and 8 spools otherwise I'd have passed it up. The super nice thing about it is it's tiny with a PL mount. M?vi or drone country methinks. I've tried threading it. TRIED. Where's that blasted erector set. Oh and supposebly daylight spools???? That French cat guy musta been outta his mind MAD. No waaaay. There is just no way. Okay maybe I'll try it out for a larff one day, but no way. Took a look at XTR prods last email in this thread, darned pretty lookin' rig right there. Not for $6-grand pretty. But an SRII is the way to go.So! Anyone here ever use one o'them fancy Eumig 16's? Brandon 'he pullin that stump out with his car' Esten 
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sat Jan  6 08:09:09 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 13:09:09 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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I have never heard of an Erector set but assume it is similar to the British Meccano sets which are now worth a fortune.

Someone is going to build a Dolly track from an Erector set!!  I would like to see that.

RIta. Extremely cold here but not as cold as NYC.

On 6 Jan 2018, at 00:43, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

Then this might not be a good time to mention making a dolly track out of erector sets across a brick courtyard and running a Bolex 16mm with a one hundred foot load each pass across the courtyard?



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Whelp! Gotta go with the crowd on this one. If these babies jam so easy, and all for 100' of sub-par lens magic... but that catchy beauty plate! I was the kind of kid who, after unsuccessfully getting two pieces of an erector set to stay together for more than 5 minutes would throw it all in the trash (where it squarely belonged), so the Kraggy will probably render me a tit cranky. Ah, erector sets. Don't get me started. Legos? Yeah I can do those all day. Hey Scott! Happy new year to everyone :-) Mmm, indeed yes, I did my homework on the Minima. Mine came with 3 mags and 8 spools otherwise I'd have passed it up. The super nice thing about it is it's tiny with a PL mount. M?vi or drone country methinks. I've tried threading it. TRIED. Where's that blasted erector set. Oh and supposebly daylight spools???? That French cat guy musta been outta his mind MAD. No waaaay. There is just no way. Okay maybe I'll try it out for a larff one day, but no way. Took a look at XTR prods last email in this thread, darned pretty lookin' rig right there. Not for $6-grand pretty. But an SRII is the way to go. So! Anyone here ever use one o'them fancy Eumig 16's? Brandon 'he pullin that stump out with his car' Esten 

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From obscureimages at comcast.net  Sat Jan  6 10:48:04 2018
From: obscureimages at comcast.net (Stanley Bullock)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:48:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.

The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 

For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.

A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....


From colcam at aim.com  Sat Jan  6 11:26:03 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 11:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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 Erector sets--  this was over forty years ago, it was a religious event, incredible non-disclosures, only natural fabrics, no polyester, metal was allowed but not plastic, it was to be held in "an historic building" and "THEY" would not let us fill in the deep spaces between bricks, we were not allowed to bring in 4x8 sheets of plywood, a 2x6 bounced and wiggled too much, and no electric anything was allowed because it would damage the ether.  They wanted it and needing a shot of what it looked like for a prostrate individual looking up at the ceremonial chime ringer and icon bearer was going to be impossible.


Erector sets can join those L shaped bars end to end, we could position standing spacers to go into the gaps between bricks, so I measured, we built, we were allowed in for an hour during cleaning to check the erector set bridge work, then had to pick it up and wait two days for ceremony and pomp and chiming and chiming and chiming and chiming, but after the closing ceremony we came in, put down the Erector sets, put a 2x6 between the sides, greased the top, greased the bottom of a chunk of 2x6 with a tripod head on it, four tabs on the sides, then the four incense bearers and four icon carriers made ONE trip through a small group of prostrate worshipers, but we got the five foot side dolly of the approach and five foot back after they passed on one hundred feet of film-- Kodachrome--  with the top of the prostrate people in the shot but not the dolly track. 



Kodak processed it, we got to run it in the office once for the people who were paying for it, they loved it, they paid, we waved goodbye to the footage and my camera operator/DP got to take the Erector sets home to his kids. 



The location is long gone.  It was just one of those great pay because no one else saw how to do it type of jobs, and was a subset of something they were making for internal use.   Memories are the fun part.

 

 

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No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.

The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 

For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.

A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....



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From colcam at aim.com  Sat Jan  6 11:35:21 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 11:35:21 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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 Went to eBay, found they have Erector sets and Meccano sets, and they do overlap and can be combined.  Bringing up old memories.

 

 

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From: colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>



 Erector sets--  this was over forty years ago, it was a religious event, incredible non-disclosures, only natural fabrics, no polyester, metal was allowed but not plastic, it was to be held in "an historic building" and "THEY" would not let us fill in the deep spaces between bricks, we were not allowed to bring in 4x8 sheets of plywood, a 2x6 bounced and wiggled too much, and no electric anything was allowed because it would damage the ether.  They wanted it and needing a shot of what it looked like for a prostrate individual looking up at the ceremonial chime ringer and icon bearer was going to be impossible.


Erector sets can join those L shaped bars end to end, we could position standing spacers to go into the gaps between bricks, so I measured, we built, we were allowed in for an hour during cleaning to check the erector set bridge work, then had to pick it up and wait two days for ceremony and pomp and chiming and chiming and chiming and chiming, but after the closing ceremony we came in, put down the Erector sets, put a 2x6 between the sides, greased the top, greased the bottom of a chunk of 2x6 with a tripod head on it, four tabs on the sides, then the four incense bearers and four icon carriers made ONE trip through a small group of prostrate worshipers, but we got the five foot side dolly of the approach and five foot back after they passed on one hundred feet of film-- Kodachrome--  with the top of the prostrate people in the shot but not the dolly track. 



Kodak processed it, we got to run it in the office once for the people who were paying for it, they loved it, they paid, we waved goodbye to the footage and my camera operator/DP got to take the Erector sets home to his kids. 



The location is long gone.  It was just one of those great pay because no one else saw how to do it type of jobs, and was a subset of something they were making for internal use.   Memories are the fun part.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stanley Bullock via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>

No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.

The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 

For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.

A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....



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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sat Jan  6 16:13:53 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (Rita avery)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:13:53 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kragnagorsk NOW Eumig
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Hmmm!  I see what you mean ???

I?d better pour myself a large vodka.

Rita

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> On 6 Jan 2018, at 16:26, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Erector sets--  this was over forty years ago, it was a religious event, incredible non-disclosures, only natural fabrics, no polyester, metal was allowed but not plastic, it was to be held in "an historic building" and "THEY" would not let us fill in the deep spaces between bricks, we were not allowed to bring in 4x8 sheets of plywood, a 2x6 bounced and wiggled too much, and no electric anything was allowed because it would damage the ether.  They wanted it and needing a shot of what it looked like for a prostrate individual looking up at the ceremonial chime ringer and icon bearer was going to be impossible.
> 
> Erector sets can join those L shaped bars end to end, we could position standing spacers to go into the gaps between bricks, so I measured, we built, we were allowed in for an hour during cleaning to check the erector set bridge work, then had to pick it up and wait two days for ceremony and pomp and chiming and chiming and chiming and chiming, but after the closing ceremony we came in, put down the Erector sets, put a 2x6 between the sides, greased the top, greased the bottom of a chunk of 2x6 with a tripod head on it, four tabs on the sides, then the four incense bearers and four icon carriers made ONE trip through a small group of prostrate worshipers, but we got the five foot side dolly of the approach and five foot back after they passed on one hundred feet of film-- Kodachrome--  with the top of the prostrate people in the shot but not the dolly track. 
> 
> Kodak processed it, we got to run it in the office once for the people who were paying for it, they loved it, they paid, we waved goodbye to the footage and my camera operator/DP got to take the Erector sets home to his kids. 
> 
> The location is long gone.  It was just one of those great pay because no one else saw how to do it type of jobs, and was a subset of something they were making for internal use.   Memories are the fun part.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stanley Bullock via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
> 
> No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.
> 
> The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 
> 
> For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.
> 
> A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....
> 
> 
> 
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 19:52:54 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 09:52:54 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kraggy NOW Bolex
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LOL!
$2,500 for a Bolex???? ?

Vodka, Rita make mine a double double please!

~B


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 06:13, Rita avery via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm!  I see what you mean ???
> 
> I?d better pour myself a large vodka.
> 
> Rita
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2018, at 16:26, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Erector sets--  this was over forty years ago, it was a religious event, incredible non-disclosures, only natural fabrics, no polyester, metal was allowed but not plastic, it was to be held in "an historic building" and "THEY" would not let us fill in the deep spaces between bricks, we were not allowed to bring in 4x8 sheets of plywood, a 2x6 bounced and wiggled too much, and no electric anything was allowed because it would damage the ether.  They wanted it and needing a shot of what it looked like for a prostrate individual looking up at the ceremonial chime ringer and icon bearer was going to be impossible.
>> 
>> Erector sets can join those L shaped bars end to end, we could position standing spacers to go into the gaps between bricks, so I measured, we built, we were allowed in for an hour during cleaning to check the erector set bridge work, then had to pick it up and wait two days for ceremony and pomp and chiming and chiming and chiming and chiming, but after the closing ceremony we came in, put down the Erector sets, put a 2x6 between the sides, greased the top, greased the bottom of a chunk of 2x6 with a tripod head on it, four tabs on the sides, then the four incense bearers and four icon carriers made ONE trip through a small group of prostrate worshipers, but we got the five foot side dolly of the approach and five foot back after they passed on one hundred feet of film-- Kodachrome--  with the top of the prostrate people in the shot but not the dolly track. 
>> 
>> Kodak processed it, we got to run it in the office once for the people who were paying for it, they loved it, they paid, we waved goodbye to the footage and my camera operator/DP got to take the Erector sets home to his kids. 
>> 
>> The location is long gone.  It was just one of those great pay because no one else saw how to do it type of jobs, and was a subset of something they were making for internal use.   Memories are the fun part.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stanley Bullock via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
>> 
>> No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.
>> 
>> The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 
>> 
>> For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.
>> 
>> A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sun Jan  7 07:52:34 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:52:34 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] WAS Kraggy NOW Bolex
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Somebody asked if anybody had used a Eumig 16.  Well, I did have one years ago and loved it to bits. A really well engineered camera imo, heavy but that?s good for me. The lenses that Eumig supplied were really bad so you had to upgrade the glass to get the best out of it. Lovely spring motor/ mechanism which was fairly silent in operation and the thickness of the metal body adsorbed most of the noise. VF was not so good but you could see what you were shooting. This was a reliable and robust camera not as sophisticated as the Bolex but as a newsreel camera it was effective. If I saw one now I would buy it but prices have soared higher than a Bolex therefore I would go for a Bolex.

Do not discount the B & H 200 16mm. These are stunning little cameras imo, I have 4 of them, one with Taylor Hodson glass. Such a small camera that really pacts a punch in terms of image and build quality. A delight to hold and use and the fastest film loading in the business providing you don?t mind loading the film cassettes by hand in a bag. Once you have done one it becomes easy. Some people have upgraded these to super 16. The film gate is made of tin plate so is easy to cut and apparently you do not have to move the lens over as the lens will cover S16mm. I am happy with standard 16 and run it straight on my Eiki in my mini cinema. If you see one just grab it even if nor working, the mechanism is a ?hoot? to work on as very simple.

Go on treat yourself.

RIta. Hic!

On 7 Jan 2018, at 00:52, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

LOL!
$2,500 for a Bolex???? ?

Vodka, Rita make mine a double double please!

~B


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 06:13, Rita avery via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm!  I see what you mean ???
> 
> I?d better pour myself a large vodka.
> 
> Rita
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2018, at 16:26, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Erector sets--  this was over forty years ago, it was a religious event, incredible non-disclosures, only natural fabrics, no polyester, metal was allowed but not plastic, it was to be held in "an historic building" and "THEY" would not let us fill in the deep spaces between bricks, we were not allowed to bring in 4x8 sheets of plywood, a 2x6 bounced and wiggled too much, and no electric anything was allowed because it would damage the ether.  They wanted it and needing a shot of what it looked like for a prostrate individual looking up at the ceremonial chime ringer and icon bearer was going to be impossible.
>> 
>> Erector sets can join those L shaped bars end to end, we could position standing spacers to go into the gaps between bricks, so I measured, we built, we were allowed in for an hour during cleaning to check the erector set bridge work, then had to pick it up and wait two days for ceremony and pomp and chiming and chiming and chiming and chiming, but after the closing ceremony we came in, put down the Erector sets, put a 2x6 between the sides, greased the top, greased the bottom of a chunk of 2x6 with a tripod head on it, four tabs on the sides, then the four incense bearers and four icon carriers made ONE trip through a small group of prostrate worshipers, but we got the five foot side dolly of the approach and five foot back after they passed on one hundred feet of film-- Kodachrome--  with the top of the prostrate people in the shot but not the dolly track. 
>> 
>> Kodak processed it, we got to run it in the office once for the people who were paying for it, they loved it, they paid, we waved goodbye to the footage and my camera operator/DP got to take the Erector sets home to his kids. 
>> 
>> The location is long gone.  It was just one of those great pay because no one else saw how to do it type of jobs, and was a subset of something they were making for internal use.   Memories are the fun part.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stanley Bullock via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
>> 
>> No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.
>> 
>> The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 
>> 
>> For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.
>> 
>> A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>> 
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>> 
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>> 
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>> 
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
> 
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
> 
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
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> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Sun Jan  7 08:39:05 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:39:05 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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Correction.

Meant to say loading ?raw? film onto the empty cassettes in a bag. The cassette mags are daylight proof so film changing is super fast.

RIta 

On 7 Jan 2018, at 12:52, RIta Avery via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

Somebody asked if anybody had used a Eumig 16.  Well, I did have one years ago and loved it to bits. A really well engineered camera imo, heavy but that?s good for me. The lenses that Eumig supplied were really bad so you had to upgrade the glass to get the best out of it. Lovely spring motor/ mechanism which was fairly silent in operation and the thickness of the metal body adsorbed most of the noise. VF was not so good but you could see what you were shooting. This was a reliable and robust camera not as sophisticated as the Bolex but as a newsreel camera it was effective. If I saw one now I would buy it but prices have soared higher than a Bolex therefore I would go for a Bolex.

Do not discount the B & H 200 16mm. These are stunning little cameras imo, I have 4 of them, one with Taylor Hodson glass. Such a small camera that really pacts a punch in terms of image and build quality. A delight to hold and use and the fastest film loading in the business providing you don?t mind loading the film cassettes by hand in a bag. Once you have done one it becomes easy. Some people have upgraded these to super 16. The film gate is made of tin plate so is easy to cut and apparently you do not have to move the lens over as the lens will cover S16mm. I am happy with standard 16 and run it straight on my Eiki in my mini cinema. If you see one just grab it even if nor working, the mechanism is a ?hoot? to work on as very simple.

Go on treat yourself.

RIta. Hic!

On 7 Jan 2018, at 00:52, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

LOL!
$2,500 for a Bolex???? ?

Vodka, Rita make mine a double double please!

~B


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 06:13, Rita avery via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm!  I see what you mean ???
> 
> I?d better pour myself a large vodka.
> 
> Rita
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2018, at 16:26, colcam--- via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Erector sets--  this was over forty years ago, it was a religious event, incredible non-disclosures, only natural fabrics, no polyester, metal was allowed but not plastic, it was to be held in "an historic building" and "THEY" would not let us fill in the deep spaces between bricks, we were not allowed to bring in 4x8 sheets of plywood, a 2x6 bounced and wiggled too much, and no electric anything was allowed because it would damage the ether.  They wanted it and needing a shot of what it looked like for a prostrate individual looking up at the ceremonial chime ringer and icon bearer was going to be impossible.
>> 
>> Erector sets can join those L shaped bars end to end, we could position standing spacers to go into the gaps between bricks, so I measured, we built, we were allowed in for an hour during cleaning to check the erector set bridge work, then had to pick it up and wait two days for ceremony and pomp and chiming and chiming and chiming and chiming, but after the closing ceremony we came in, put down the Erector sets, put a 2x6 between the sides, greased the top, greased the bottom of a chunk of 2x6 with a tripod head on it, four tabs on the sides, then the four incense bearers and four icon carriers made ONE trip through a small group of prostrate worshipers, but we got the five foot side dolly of the approach and five foot back after they passed on one hundred feet of film-- Kodachrome--  with the top of the prostrate people in the shot but not the dolly track. 
>> 
>> Kodak processed it, we got to run it in the office once for the people who were paying for it, they loved it, they paid, we waved goodbye to the footage and my camera operator/DP got to take the Erector sets home to his kids. 
>> 
>> The location is long gone.  It was just one of those great pay because no one else saw how to do it type of jobs, and was a subset of something they were making for internal use.   Memories are the fun part.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stanley Bullock via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
>> 
>> No question that the XTR Prod is one of the best S16 cameras ever made. If I had to choose between that and a Highspeed SR3, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. For my needs, the SR2 works wonderfully. With my speed controller, I can shoot up to 75fps and it has video assist, which I don't really use but is nice to have if needed, I suppose. The lens I'm using most often with the camera is a Cooke 9-50 that was converted by Optex for S16 usage. It now has a PL mount and is 10.8 - 60mm, T3. Not super fast, but the images it produces are wonderful.
>> 
>> The compact nature of the A Minima is, of course, a remarkable feature. Throw a prime on there and you can shoot unobtrusively just about anywhere. I have an Eclair ACL 2, modified for S16, that, when coupled with a prime lens and a 200' magazine, is comparable in terms of form factor. I can use just about any lens on it too as I have every lens mount that was ever made for the ACL. Great little camera. 
>> 
>> For all the discussions we used to have about video and film, Brandon, I sure have gone back to shooting tons of film, LOL. I'm even working on a project at present that'll be shot in black and white, ha! I couldn't keep up with the ever-evolving world of video and no longer desire to. If I need a Red or Amira or whatnot, I'll rent it. For me, ownership in today's camera world just isn't practical or feasible, so I've fully immersed myself back into the world of film. Most everything I do is a personal project anyway, so I've been having a lot of fun with Super 8 and 16mm.
>> 
>> A Bolex camera on an Erector set? Gotta give kudos for effort on that one, Colcam. :) I've always wanted to work with a Frezzolini, just for the sake of saying I've used one. That, and Mitchell cameras, too. Have never had the pleasure of using either. Maybe someday....
>> 
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 08:22:04 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 22:22:04 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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https://youtu.be/P13aT2nyVq8

I'm sure it gets easier with time but man this looks like a pita for 50'!!! Cancel that vodka, I need my wits for this one!


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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Mon Jan  8 12:43:06 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:43:06 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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If I can do it, anybody can.

This boys demonstration is going the long way round. You don?t need to take it apart. I?ve taken mine apart but only to lube it. Loading is very easy even in a bag. Do it a few times in the day light and then go for a take in the bag. I take mine from a 400ft roll. It can get a bit ?busy? in the bag especially when cutting and loading 50ft spools but the secret is keeping everything separated and do it on a table with your arms resting in the bag. I actually enjoy doing it, trouble is I always get an itchy nose or ear which can be troublesome. 

One more thing. Take out the two tiny screws first before you put the cassettes in the bag. Then once loaded then put tape over the screw holes before taking out the mags otherwise light may get in. Screw the two screws back through the tape or leave the screws out and just use electrical tape instead.

I have fridge full of fresh loaded cassettes, some dating back to the 1950?s sealed in Kodak boxes. Not used these ones as there is no point in wasting money processing old film. My Taylor Hobson?s deliver very sharp images and cannot believe how rock steady they are all from a tin plate gate. BH must have put a lot of R&D into these fine cameras.

These cameras are a great addition to regular 16mm cameras.

Btw, grab yourself an Iconix video camera for future filming. Stunning sensor.

Size matters to me!

RIta

On 8 Jan 2018, at 13:22, Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

https://youtu.be/P13aT2nyVq8

I'm sure it gets easier with time but man this looks like a pita for 50'!!! Cancel that vodka, I need my wits for this one!


B



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From wdcrosson at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 13:09:20 2018
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:09:20 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
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The sides of the spools are removable (in the dark ?) and the load is good for the Eclair ACL 200-ft magazine. 

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> On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Stanley Bullock via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Brandon,
> 
> 
> 
> Please remember that the A Minima spools are different from a traditional 200' daylight spool. The A Minima requires an A wind (emulsion out) instead of the more standard B wind. Many labs will wind your film onto an A Minima spool for a small fee. Also, make sure the processing lab returns your spools; they are not the same as a 200' daylight spool and are getting harder to find. The A minima spools are driven by their edge, not from the center. Again, all of this can be mitigated by a friendly lab, so call a few in advance. :)
> 
> Prices for S16 gear is creeping upwards again. I purchased an Arri SR2 a couple of years back from a used equipment supplier and I've noticed that prices are now $1K to 1.5K higher for the same rig than they were a year or so ago.
> 
> 
> 
> In my opinion, I'd ditch the Krasnogorsk idea. I used them in film school - man, such a long time ago! - and they were guaranteed to chew up at least some of the film and lose their loop frequently. Get yourself a Bolex, preferably an SBM or REX 5 that was factory S16 or modified. More expensive? Absolutely. Destroy film? Lose loop? Nope. You get what you pay for. I've been using an SBM for years.
> 
> Also, I've been purchasing stock directly from Kodak. 16mm is not nearly as expensive as 35mm. 400' of 16mm has a TRT of 11 minutes. Compare that to 1,000' of 35mm, which also runs roughly 11 minutes. 400' of 16mm Vision 3 is about $175, whereas 1,000' of 35mm Vision 3 runs about $770. Of course, as you stated, 35mm re-cans and short ends are much easier to find than 16mm re-cans and short ends, so it just depends on what your needs and preferences are.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope all is well with you and everyone.
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> 
> Happy New year, all.
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> Scott
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From bruinflight at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 18:05:33 2018
From: bruinflight at gmail.com (Brandon Esten)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:05:33 +0900
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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Found a couple of Eumig 16's but kinda rough lookin condition. Not sure but looks like they have a proprietary lens mount.

BnH 200's are plentiful but again in pretty rough shape by and large. Some have turret designs! C-mount which is good. The really nice thing is that this camera will do 64fps, buuuuuuuuut with only 50' you will burn through a cassette in the blink of an eye.

Anyone use Pentacon lenses? Found the pentaflex 16 which is a really odd camera. Has modular wind-up motors or electric. Cannot tell the size of it from photos.

For video, I would like to get an old tube camera, mod it for digital recording...


Cheers,
Brandon












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> On Jan 9, 2018, at 02:43, RIta Avery <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Iconix video camera


From colcam at aim.com  Mon Jan  8 18:20:02 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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 The Eumig is better known as the "it worked yesterday" camera.  That was why they didn't sell that well.  



In B&H 16mm you want a late Filmo, not a cartridge camera, and some were fitted for 400 ft mags, almost all of the later ones are able to take various electric motors, and they take c-mount lenses.


 I have seen very good Pentagon lenses, and I have seen some that were less than good image.  


You cannot retrofit a tube type camera to digital.  The only part that would carry over would be the lens mount, and most of those had stranger than strange lenses.  I had a studio Canon 3, it was supposed to be c-mount, but you had to choose if you wanted the corners sharp or the center sharp, and when Canon got serious they created a new mount with lenses that were larger and worked well. 



Look for Auricon and Frezzolini with Angenieux or Schneider lenses on them.  The Super 1200 with the big mags and a reflex lens by Angenieux can still be found at a reasonable price, and the small body "news and interview location cameras" work well, but you need to make sure you oil each of the red oil ports each time you use it.   It was made before sealed bearings were available, and that is the reason most of the Mitchell 16mm bodies have burned bearings, too.  Oil each time you use it, even if it is just to check it, oil it. 



On the other hand, a little care and they last decades with no issues.

 

 

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From: Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>

Found a couple of Eumig 16's but kinda rough lookin condition. Not sure but looks like they have a proprietary lens mount.

BnH 200's are plentiful but again in pretty rough shape by and large. Some have turret designs! C-mount which is good. The really nice thing is that this camera will do 64fps, buuuuuuuuut with only 50' you will burn through a cassette in the blink of an eye.

Anyone use Pentacon lenses? Found the pentaflex 16 which is a really odd camera. Has modular wind-up motors or electric. Cannot tell the size of it from photos.

For video, I would like to get an old tube camera, mod it for digital recording...


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From taylorcobmw at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  8 18:23:31 2018
From: taylorcobmw at yahoo.com (Bruce Taylor)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 23:23:31 +0000 (UTC)
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Hard to beat. Cheap, reliable, 100' spools.
-Bruce

      From: Brandon Esten via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
 To: RIta Avery <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> 
Cc: Brandon Esten <bruinflight at gmail.com>; Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
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Found a couple of Eumig 16's but kinda rough lookin condition. Not sure but looks like they have a proprietary lens mount.

BnH 200's are plentiful but again in pretty rough shape by and large. Some have turret designs! C-mount which is good. The really nice thing is that this camera will do 64fps, buuuuuuuuut with only 50' you will burn through a cassette in the blink of an eye.

Anyone use Pentacon lenses? Found the pentaflex 16 which is a really odd camera. Has modular wind-up motors or electric. Cannot tell the size of it from photos.

For video, I would like to get an old tube camera, mod it for digital recording...


Cheers,
Brandon












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> On Jan 9, 2018, at 02:43, RIta Avery <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Iconix video camera


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From jay at youngpictures.org  Mon Jan  8 18:35:51 2018
From: jay at youngpictures.org (Jay Young)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:35:51 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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Hi folks,

I have a decent CP-16r with Angenieux 10-150 zoom and 3 magazines for 
sale.? I'm taking any reasonable offer.? Camera is in the United 
States.? I have had trouble shipping to EU countries in the past, but I 
am open to the idea.

At this point, looking to get a few hundred.? Wanted to ask here before 
putting on the web.? I can provide pictures and recent footage from the 
camera.


Kind regards,


-- 

Jay Young
Cinematographer, Lexington KY
606-312-2628
YoungPictures.org



From colcam at aim.com  Mon Jan  8 19:01:55 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 19:01:55 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
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 I don't need another 16mm camera, but that DR still tempts me-- it has over three hundred dollars worth of lenses with it.


And I don't even want the 240 for a paperweight, not even if you hand deliver it to me at no cost, but that NPR down the list looks interesting and it is a good super16 basis.   And there is a Vintage Bell & Howell Filmo 16MM Camera Model 70 DA for 45 bucks plus shipping even further down.


There are more Filmo cameras, and motors for the Filmo on the second page, too.



The Auricon Pro-600 is priced as a user-- and I remember when Arri was the affordable alternate to Mitchell and Auricon.  One speed, but so dead smooth and even it will frighten you.  The Super 1200 is even smoother and quieter.  I have had people walk up and ask why we weren't shooting while we were shooting.  It is that quiet. 



If you got Filmo bodies and electric motors for wild shooting, an Auricon or a Frezzi for sound synch would would be fine until you decided you needed a bunch of them, and then your bank account echoes. 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Taylor via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>



Bell & Howell  240 16mm Movie Camera W/ Case   | eBay


  
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  $ 19.00   
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
Bell & Howell  240 16mm Movie Camera W/ Case   | eBay
  
Bell & Howell  240 16mm Movie Camera W/ Case  | Cameras & Photo, Vintage Movie & Photography, Vintag...
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bell & Howell 70DR | 16mm Motion Picture Camera | With 3 C Mount Lenses  | eBay



  
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  $ 298.00   
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
Bell & Howell 70DR | 16mm Motion Picture Camera | With 3 C Mount Lenses...
  
Bell & Howell 70-DR 16mm Film Movie Camera In good working condition. This camera is a hand crank film camer...
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Hard to beat. Cheap, reliable, 100' spools.


-Bruce



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From colcam at aim.com  Mon Jan  8 19:04:18 2018
From: colcam at aim.com (colcam at aim.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 19:04:18 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] BH 200
In-Reply-To: <49408157-a9fc-6239-1ba6-0f705023fece@youngpictures.org>
Message-ID: <160d83b5f9e-c07-286e@webjasstg-vab11.srv.aolmail.net>

--and this is a very,  very good camera system, just keep it cleaned and lubed.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Young via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>

Hi folks,I have a decent CP-16r with Angenieux 10-150 zoom and 3 magazines for sale.  I'm taking any reasonable offer.  Camera is in the United States.  I have had trouble shipping to EU countries in the past, but I am open to the idea.At this point, looking to get a few hundred.  Wanted to ask here before putting on the web.  I can provide pictures and recent footage from the camera.Kind regards,-- Jay YoungCinematographer, Lexington KY606-312-2628YoungPictures.org 
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From obscureimages at comcast.net  Tue Jan  9 04:10:27 2018
From: obscureimages at comcast.net (Stanley Bullock)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 02:10:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Konvas] Kragnagorsk 1/2 question
In-Reply-To: <D5B0AB2E-8CA5-4602-AF50-1A80D4AE30E2@aol.com>
References: <1F43D7E1-FD09-471B-ABA1-B045F48D1A65@gmail.com>
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Are you talking about loading the A Minima spools in a darkroom? I've never done it but it seems like it'd be doable.



"The sides of the spools are removable (in the dark ?) and the load is good for the Eclair ACL 200-ft magazine." 
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From speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com  Tue Jan  9 12:15:25 2018
From: speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com (RIta Avery)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 17:15:25 +0000
Subject: [Konvas] Fwd: Gauge Film has Moved
References: <AuuGd54tRI6NNsvGmx3hfA@ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net>
Message-ID: <8936BD16-340E-4D4E-B3FA-A4384458BC48@acousticturtle.plus.com>

Still processing reversal stock, fast turnaround.



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Gauge Film has moved. We will now make collections from our new local post office. We will still have access to The Old Chapel address for two months so not to worry if you have recently posted film to the old address. Our new address is:
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From kelleymailbox at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 16:32:10 2018
From: kelleymailbox at gmail.com (Kelley Cross)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:32:10 -0000
Subject: [Konvas] Lomo 25-250mm Zoom with rear anamorphic element for sale
Message-ID: <3E2C38326D3A4F11A738989C5228D2E8@KelleyWrites>

Hi all,

I?m going to list this one on ebay probably Wednesday or Thursday this week. I?m looking for $4,800 for this and would prefer to sell it to someone from the group before somebody on ebay. I?m going to paste the ebay blurb here:

Lomo 25-250mm Cine Zoom lens with Anamorphic rear lens element

This is a Lomo 25-250mm zoom lens in very good condition; serial #800003, made in 1980. Included is an anamorphic lens element (50-500mm)  that attaches to the rear of the lens. This element converts the lens to anamorphic, yielding a focal range of 50-500mm.

The lens has the proprietary oct-19 mount. It is common to convert these to PL mounts. I chose not to, as all of my lenses I shoot are oct-19. 

Along with the ebay photos, I?ve posted some test shots and footage on the folowing link: http://www.badassfilm.com/lomo-anamorphic/

There are some light cleaning marks on the lens, but as you will see in the test shots, the imagery is in no way affected. I find that this lens yields a warm cinematic 70s look throughout the entire focal range. 

The lens will open to f/4, but the blades stiffen past 5.6. This is something that should be addressed with a lens tech, but 5.6 and above, the aperture glides freely. 

Please note that the support ring shown in the photo is included, but the dovetail and support bracket are not included. 

Please send any questions. I respond promptly.

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If anyone is interested, please contact me offlist. Cheers all, and Happy Holidays.

Best,
Kelley Cross

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From vichuey at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 23:43:41 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 23:43:41 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf Kinor 35h for sale
Message-ID: <CAEnZJRrniB+qMkPWSq4nyGvM8FGzJTSTAbkg1HHt+5GoB3WF2g@mail.gmail.com>

total rebuilt Kinor 35h, new electronics, new paint, two perf conversion
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From jay at youngpictures.org  Fri Jan 19 10:48:15 2018
From: jay at youngpictures.org (Jay Young)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 10:48:15 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf Kinor 35h for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEnZJRrniB+qMkPWSq4nyGvM8FGzJTSTAbkg1HHt+5GoB3WF2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEnZJRrniB+qMkPWSq4nyGvM8FGzJTSTAbkg1HHt+5GoB3WF2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e3911d6-2d24-1ebf-4a5f-b845c0d8109e@youngpictures.org>

What is the price for the 2-perf 35h?




Jay


On 1/18/2018 11:43 PM, Victor Huey via Cinema wrote:
> total rebuilt Kinor 35h, new electronics, new paint, two perf conversion
>
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs money.
>
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema Cameras
>
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!

-- 
Jay Young
Cinematographer, Lexington KY
606-312-2628
YoungPictures.org



From vichuey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 12:01:23 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf Kinors for sale
Message-ID: <CAEnZJRoDFJcqRikXVas1nttZqbbfsYpDP3O5BUK_mM3-DmQtwQ@mail.gmail.com>

here are more pictures of camera body#1
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From vichuey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 12:11:49 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf kinor 5000 for sale
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From vichuey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 12:22:52 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf Kinor 35h for sale
In-Reply-To: <9e3911d6-2d24-1ebf-4a5f-b845c0d8109e@youngpictures.org>
References: <CAEnZJRrniB+qMkPWSq4nyGvM8FGzJTSTAbkg1HHt+5GoB3WF2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<9e3911d6-2d24-1ebf-4a5f-b845c0d8109e@youngpictures.org>
Message-ID: <CAEnZJRoOMcK5psADHaV6U2MA0zfrHc-Rk5x+QT3+8kkXcdVHUw@mail.gmail.com>

there are three camera pacakages for sale price between 4500-5500

a)Kinor 35h - Solid entertainment electroincs, new paint, 2 perf conversion
by aranda

b)Kinor 5000- aranda electronics and 2 perf conversion

c)Kinor 235- Solid entertainment electrironics , 2 perf conversion , plus
video tap optics

if you send me your email address i can send you pictures

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Jay Young via Cinema <cinema at konvas.org>
wrote:

> What is the price for the 2-perf 35h?
>
>
>
>
> Jay
>
>
> On 1/18/2018 11:43 PM, Victor Huey via Cinema wrote:
>
>> total rebuilt Kinor 35h, new electronics, new paint, two perf conversion
>>
>> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
>> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
>> money.
>>
>> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
>> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cinema mailing list
>> Cinema at konvas.org
>> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema
>> Cameras
>>
>> Visit the discussion archives:
>> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>>
>> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
>> http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>>
>> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
>>
>
> --
> Jay Young
> Cinematographer, Lexington KY
> 606-312-2628
> YoungPictures.org
>
>
>
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
> money.
>
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema
> Cameras
>
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
>
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From psrioux at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 12:38:09 2018
From: psrioux at gmail.com (Pierre Samuel Rioux)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:38:09 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Kinor 35 to Victor
Message-ID: <CAAQcLDyJw2Wjj05d72GuPmgC-=sSvmNK=HTVmN=R360OMO7cog@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice one VICTOR !

How made the conversion to 2 perfo ?
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From vichuey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 13:36:36 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Konvas] Kinor 35 to Victor
In-Reply-To: <CAAQcLDyJw2Wjj05d72GuPmgC-=sSvmNK=HTVmN=R360OMO7cog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAQcLDyJw2Wjj05d72GuPmgC-=sSvmNK=HTVmN=R360OMO7cog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEnZJRqAQVnHTAD4aObtvQspPeLZ25eqxt9sHcmi6skq5CcGBQ@mail.gmail.com>

it was done by aranda , they have done most of the converisions of 35mm
cameras to 2 perf, but they are no longer doing conversions unless demand
picks up. No real production will shoot with only one camera, thats why i
bought several. But its time to let those who wanted a sync camera with an
oct.19 mount for their lomo lens.



On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:38 PM, Pierre Samuel Rioux via Cinema <
cinema at konvas.org> wrote:

>
> Very nice one VICTOR !
>
> How made the conversion to 2 perfo ?
>
>
>
>
> WE COULD REALLY USE YOUR HELP! The sharing of information on both the
> Konvas.org website and the discussion list takes a lot of time and costs
> money.
>
> Your donations help keep Konvas.org running and are very much appreciated:
> http://konvas.org/how-to/help-konvas.org-donate.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cinema mailing list
> Cinema at konvas.org
> http://Konvas.org - All about Konvas, Kinor and other Russian Cinema
> Cameras
>
> Visit the discussion archives:
> http://konvas.org/list-archives.html
>
> Join the Konvas Discussion List:
> http://konvas.org/mailman/listinfo/cinema_konvas.org
>
> Please be kind when replying and crop the replied message!!!
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From morganermter at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 15:16:26 2018
From: morganermter at gmail.com (Morgan Ermter)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Konvas] Lots of LOMO Primes for sale!
Message-ID: <6A8CF162-80A1-408D-9500-E872F8A21CFC@gmail.com>

Hi,

Are any of the LOMO anamorphics still for sale? If so which ones? 

Thanks!
Morgan 


From vichuey at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 22:44:29 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 03:44:29 -0000
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf minor 35h cameras for sale
Message-ID: <CAEnZJRppPq=FnFSnOuPkjh5RW_NQ+UNOTPi9H4rGgJ72y9C5gg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I am downsizing my 2 perf sync Kinor 35h cameras , i thought i give the
konvas group first dibs on it before i dump on ebay!

first up is a kinor totally overhauled  with new electronics from solid
entertainment, new paint job, 2 perf conversion by aranda. It was converted
and sat there ever since unused , lol!
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From vichuey at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 22:56:20 2018
From: vichuey at gmail.com (Victor Huey)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 03:56:20 -0000
Subject: [Konvas] 2 perf cameras for sale
Message-ID: <CAEnZJRrySP7L61QA1w3Sfc78qQdea6-D8t2bv=CpyNCA88joyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I am downsizing my 2 perf sync Kinor 35h cameras , i thought i give the
konvas group first dibs on it before i dump on ebay!

first up is a kinor totally overhauled  with new electronics from solid
entertainment, new paint job, 2 perf conversion by aranda. It was converted
and sat there ever since unused , lol!
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