[Konvas] Cinema Digest, Vol 117, Issue 5

Pierre Samuel Rioux psrioux at gmail.com
Sat Jan 9 22:08:40 EST 2016 

I think they missing a great opportunity to came with the ultra 8
8 mm image high and 16mm large and you improve the quality
and save the 16mm wide film.

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:00 PM, <cinema-request at konvas.org> wrote:

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>    1. New Kodak Super 8 movie camera (Nicholas Kovats)
>    2. Re: New Kodak Super 8 movie camera (Earon Kavanagh)
>    3. Did my recent email report make it through regarding the new
>       Kodak Super 8 camera? (Nicholas Kovats)
>    4. Re: Did my recent email report make it through regarding  the
>       new Kodak Super 8 camera? (Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com)
>    5. Re: New Kodak Super 8 movie camera (Adam Frey)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 14:17:11 -0500
> From: Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> To: Miki <nkovats at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Konvas] New Kodak Super 8 movie camera
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> Yup.
>
> There is a brand new Super 8 camera introduced by Kodak and it is
> projected to be available in fall 2016, i.e.
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/new-kodak-super-8-concept-camera-first-look-video
>
> Kodak saw the Logmar Super 8 camera back in Cinegears 2015 and a
> prelimiary deal was made with the Danish father and son engineering
> team to design both the hardware and software for the forthcoming
> series of Kodak Super 8 camera systems.
>
> The original inspiration as per Kodak's interest, i.e.
> http://www.logmar.dk/. The new Kodak Super 8 camers will share
> attributes of the original Logmar S8 camera. I have the only one in
> Canada. Kodak has now dropped any reference to the Logmar name on
> their web site. It has been speculated that there is now an
> "exclusivity agreement" in place. Kodak also contracted a famous
> designer for the overall look, color and button shapes that is Yves
> B?har. He is the founder and principal designer of Fuseproject, i.e.
> http://www.fuseproject.com/. Gotta have the new camera's power button
> match Apple esthetic.
>
> Speculation and rumour are rife at the moment but the following
> products and/or services have been announced as part of the new Kodak
> eco-system initiative.
>
> 1. Dec 21/15 P-200 Film Cleaning System, i.e.
>
>
> http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/corp/Press_center/KODAK_Introduces_Innovative_Film_Cleaning_System/default.htm
>
> "The KODAK P-200 system consists of a compact machine that measures
> only 31w x 21d x 51h inches with touchscreen controls for navigating
> the operating modes. It uses KODAK HFE 7200 Film Cleaner Solution, an
> environmentally safe solvent with a zero ozone depleting
> classification, and a very low toxicity rating (near zero). Adding to
> the system's efficiencies, Kodak is offering the solvent in low
> quantities for the first time, eliminating the need to invest in large
> orders of film cleaning supplies."
>
> 2. Jan. 06 - Logmar designed Super 8 Camera w/ Yves B?har designer
> "accents" :)
>
> - high end will be metal construction at approx $1000 US (2000 units).
> - lower end plastic model approx $499/$700 US.
>
> Some preliminary specifications, i.e.
>
> http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/01/06/kodak-goes-back-to-the-future-and-announces-a-new-super-8-film-camera/
>
> FILM GAUGE
> SUPER 8 ( EXTENDED MAX-8 GATE )
>
> FILM LOAD
> KODAK CARTRIDGES WITH 50 FT (15 M)
>
> SPEED
> VARIABLE SPEEDS (9, 12, 18, 24, 25 FPS) ALL WITH CRYSTAL SYNC
>
> LENS MOUNT
> C-MOUNT
>
> FOCAL LENGTH
> FIXED / 6 MM, 1:1.2 ? RICOH LENS (OPTIONAL ZOOM 6-48 MM LENS )
>
> FOCUS / APERTURE
> MANUAL FOCUS & IRIS
>
> VIEWFINDER
> 3.5? DISPLAY THAT HAS A STANDARD DEFINITION VIDEO INPUT AND SUPPORTS
> SWIVEL +/- 45 DEGREES
>
> EXPOSURE
> EXPOSURE CONTROL
> CARTRIDGE DETECTION (SPEED NOTCH)
> BUILT-IN LIGHT METER FOR SUPPORTED SPEEDS OF ALL KODAK FILM TYPES
> MANUAL SPEED / MANUAL IRIS SETTING
>
> POWER SUPPLY
> BATTERY & CHARGER
> INTEGRATED BATTERY AND CHARGER VIA STANDARD USB WALL ADAPTER
>
> CONTROL PANEL / SETTINGS
> CONTROL PANEL VIA VIEWFINDER 3,5? TFT LCD
>
> SETTINGS
> VIA JOG WHEEL AS USER INTERFACE
>
> 3. A new Kodak processing lab in New York.
>
> 4. One stop shop model whereby consumers can purchase film stock,
> process and a digital scan (allegedly 4K) from Kodak. Customer's will
> take delivery of said digital scan via the internet and Kodak will
> ship the original S8 negative with a S8 print. That is not a typo and
> we are are attempting to officially confirm the print delivery. Total
> package price is rumoured to be $50-$75 US. Longtime Kodak small
> format partner Pro8mm in California has been making inquiries
> regarding purchase of a 2nd hand contact printer from the Cinelicious
> post house.
>
> 5. The Kodak CEO has been stating that there are additional
> post-production tools forthcoming.
>
> 6. Big name endorsements include JJ Abrams,  Christopher Nolan, Steven
> Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino, Steve McQueen, et al. The voluminous
> press has included TIME, Bloomberg, Fortune, etc.
>
> I suspect that the hipsters will adopt this "retro" camera and drive
> up 2nd Super 8 camera prices. Should I hold onto my beautiful high end
> Super 8 machines? Quietly ride this mini-film explosion? Or just keep
> filming? :)
>
> Film Forever.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:00:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Earon Kavanagh <etearon at yahoo.com>
> To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] New Kodak Super 8 movie camera
> Message-ID:
>         <1007483710.2370610.1452283213276.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Interesting. From a business strategy perspective I suspect that this is
> Kodak's way of re-entering the industry at a new phase, where the industry
> dies and once again rises up from the ashes. Now that young people and the
> rest of us have had 10 years to play with digital they might just be
> seeking the holy grail of cinematography.. after all there is a great
> century history that many may want to experience with film. New heroes such
> as Abrams and old heroes such as Spielberg will inspire the quest. From a
> business strategy perspective Kodak could land as the originator on a new
> era... but start small and get a whole lot of folks addicted to film. I
> like it....maybe in a few years I can get recoup my Kinor 16mm investment.
> ?Fortunately I was able to recoup my Konvas 35mm cost outlay. This could be
> a new blockbuster movie. 'After a generation of wandering in the digital
> desert a hero, son of Kodak, discovers the secret of cinema and enlightens
> the people". well, you get the picture. T
>  his has potential...??*****************************************Earon
> Kavanagh PhD, MBAIndustrial-organizational psychology services?Talent
> assessment and developmentPsychometric testing?Hire and develop competent
> talent!?***********************************************
>
>
>       From: Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
>  To: Miki <nkovats at gmail.com>
>  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 11:17 AM
>  Subject: [Konvas] New Kodak Super 8 movie camera
>
> Yup.
>
> There is a brand new Super 8 camera introduced by Kodak and it is
> projected to be available in fall 2016, i.e.
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-07/new-kodak-super-8-concept-camera-first-look-video
>
> Kodak saw the Logmar Super 8 camera back in Cinegears 2015 and a
> prelimiary deal was made with the Danish father and son engineering
> team to design both the hardware and software for the forthcoming
> series of Kodak Super 8 camera systems.
>
> The original inspiration as per Kodak's interest, i.e.
> http://www.logmar.dk/. The new Kodak Super 8 camers will share
> attributes of the original Logmar S8 camera. I have the only one in
> Canada. Kodak has now dropped any reference to the Logmar name on
> their web site. It has been speculated that there is now an
> "exclusivity agreement" in place. Kodak also contracted a famous
> designer for the overall look, color and button shapes that is Yves
> B?har. He is the founder and principal designer of Fuseproject, i.e.
> http://www.fuseproject.com/. Gotta have the new camera's power button
> match Apple esthetic.
>
> Speculation and rumour are rife at the moment but the following
> products and/or services have been announced as part of the new Kodak
> eco-system initiative.
>
> 1. Dec 21/15 P-200 Film Cleaning System, i.e.
>
>
> http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/corp/Press_center/KODAK_Introduces_Innovative_Film_Cleaning_System/default.htm
>
> "The KODAK P-200 system consists of a compact machine that measures
> only 31w x 21d x 51h inches with touchscreen controls for navigating
> the operating modes. It uses KODAK HFE 7200 Film Cleaner Solution, an
> environmentally safe solvent with a zero ozone depleting
> classification, and a very low toxicity rating (near zero). Adding to
> the system's efficiencies, Kodak is offering the solvent in low
> quantities for the first time, eliminating the need to invest in large
> orders of film cleaning supplies."
>
> 2. Jan. 06 - Logmar designed Super 8 Camera w/ Yves B?har designer
> "accents" :)
>
> - high end will be metal construction at approx $1000 US (2000 units).
> - lower end plastic model approx $499/$700 US.
>
> Some preliminary specifications, i.e.
>
> http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/01/06/kodak-goes-back-to-the-future-and-announces-a-new-super-8-film-camera/
>
> FILM GAUGE
> SUPER 8 ( EXTENDED MAX-8 GATE )
>
> FILM LOAD
> KODAK CARTRIDGES WITH 50 FT (15 M)
>
> SPEED
> VARIABLE SPEEDS (9, 12, 18, 24, 25 FPS) ALL WITH CRYSTAL SYNC
>
> LENS MOUNT
> C-MOUNT
>
> FOCAL LENGTH
> FIXED / 6 MM, 1:1.2 ? RICOH LENS (OPTIONAL ZOOM 6-48 MM LENS )
>
> FOCUS / APERTURE
> MANUAL FOCUS & IRIS
>
> VIEWFINDER
> 3.5? DISPLAY THAT HAS A STANDARD DEFINITION VIDEO INPUT AND SUPPORTS
> SWIVEL +/- 45 DEGREES
>
> EXPOSURE
> EXPOSURE CONTROL
> CARTRIDGE DETECTION (SPEED NOTCH)
> BUILT-IN LIGHT METER FOR SUPPORTED SPEEDS OF ALL KODAK FILM TYPES
> MANUAL SPEED / MANUAL IRIS SETTING
>
> POWER SUPPLY
> BATTERY & CHARGER
> INTEGRATED BATTERY AND CHARGER VIA STANDARD USB WALL ADAPTER
>
> CONTROL PANEL / SETTINGS
> CONTROL PANEL VIA VIEWFINDER 3,5? TFT LCD
>
> SETTINGS
> VIA JOG WHEEL AS USER INTERFACE
>
> 3. A new Kodak processing lab in New York.
>
> 4. One stop shop model whereby consumers can purchase film stock,
> process and a digital scan (allegedly 4K) from Kodak. Customer's will
> take delivery of said digital scan via the internet and Kodak will
> ship the original S8 negative with a S8 print. That is not a typo and
> we are are attempting to officially confirm the print delivery. Total
> package price is rumoured to be $50-$75 US. Longtime Kodak small
> format partner Pro8mm in California has been making inquiries
> regarding purchase of a 2nd hand contact printer from the Cinelicious
> post house.
>
> 5. The Kodak CEO has been stating that there are additional
> post-production tools forthcoming.
>
> 6. Big name endorsements include JJ Abrams,? Christopher Nolan, Steven
> Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino, Steve McQueen, et al. The voluminous
> press has included TIME, Bloomberg, Fortune, etc.
>
> I suspect that the hipsters will adopt this "retro" camera and drive
> up 2nd Super 8 camera prices. Should I hold onto my beautiful high end
> Super 8 machines? Quietly ride this mini-film explosion? Or just keep
> filming? :)
>
> Film Forever.
>
> Nicholas
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 22:20:43 -0500
> From: Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com>
> To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
> Subject: [Konvas] Did my recent email report make it through regarding
>         the new Kodak Super 8 camera?
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> Thanks.
>
> Nicholas
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 11:32:36 +0000
> From: "Speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com"
>         <speedbird at acousticturtle.plus.com>
> To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] Did my recent email report make it through
>         regarding       the new Kodak Super 8 camera?
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> It certainly did and was extremely interesting. It started a discussion
> which must be good for Kodak.  I am certainly intrigued by this little
> camera and will follow its progress. Just waiting for some test footage to
> see if it has any use.
>
> Now if Spielberg bought one then everybody will buy it.
>
> Rita
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 9 Jan 2016, at 03:20, Nicholas Kovats <nkovats at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Nicholas
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 09:50:51 -0500
> From: Adam Frey <thefirstrule at chainsawlinux.com>
> To: Konvas Discussion List <cinema at konvas.org>
> Subject: Re: [Konvas] New Kodak Super 8 movie camera
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> On Jan 8, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Earon Kavanagh wrote:
> > might just be seeking the holy grail of cinematography.. after all there
> is a great century history that many may want to experience with film.
>
> I don't think I'd ever consider Super8 to be a holy grail of
> cinematography haha
>
> For what it's worth, Super8 is a fun little format. But it's not a pro
> level format. Unless you want a grundgy feel. It's still film, so it has
> that great spread between bright and dark that video doesn't (unless the
> masochist in you enjoys only having 7-stops of light to work with). Super8
> doesn't have the resolution - and, from the looks of it and little bit I
> gleaned, it may be a pain in the butt to try and project in widescreen
> *with* audio (much like Super16).
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam Frey
> Frey's Brewing Company
> 8601 Mapleville Road
> Mount Airy, MD 21771
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