[Konvas] NEXT Tarentino WESTERN

Sun Nov 29 14:56:30 EST 2015

Part of my problem is that I lived through that "magic" era and worked on technical support for the supplimentary filming and tour stop release of several Cinerama Roadshows (a nightmare to shoot and show) and prep and technical work for shooting replacement footage for two of Super Panavison 70 features (spherical lenses, and sometimes the footage was too sharp!) and a week on a budget display scene for one Ultra Panavision 70 that was never completed.  I can look at two minutes of the format and see things most people cannot, and if you add OT's directorial work, it does not bode well.  The reason these lenses have not been used for such a long time is that better glass came along, not because they were too good, but because newer lenses were better, and when IMAX walked in they withered because of better image and projection. 

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It's good to see so many opinions emerging. Tarantino's marketing boys have achieved their goal 
They have made the public talk about their new film by explaining that not many cinemas are able to show 70mm and they will have to run a road show for that to happen. In itself that is quite clever, it has started a debate not just with this forum but also with the worlds press. This is why they have brought in a heavy weight to present the advertising campaign. Not many people know about 65mm film stock or do they care, they just want to see images telling a story. Personally, I get very excited when they mention 70mm as I instantly visualise the big block busters of yesteryear. The only 70mm film images that make my juices flow are Lawrence of Arabia where the vast expanse of the desert were displayed in its entirety.  The suns brilliance was captured perfectly so much so that the heat nearly boiled the film stock inside the mags. The expanse of the desert needed large negatives to really provide the sharpness for distant shots. It still takes my breath away in the opening
  shots a
 nd you can feel the heat coming off the sand shimmering in the distant. To be honest you can probably achieve the same thing with digital but in the 1960's 70mm was the "bees knees" in marketing tools as everybody was used to seeing 16mm and 35mm. Tarentino certainly makes successful films in terms of cash flow and he may get excited handling 65mm film stock but is he using it to make more stimulating films or  is it to use retro-cameras and lenses from the 1960's because that's what excites him being a fan of that era. Panavision are in the business of making money in whatever way they can and they are good at it. Retro fitting cameras raises their profile in the cinematic world and highlights their expertise reminding everyone that they are the leaders in the field and will do anything to remain at the top. That's good business sense.

The world is made up of millions multi talented people,  everybody has some sort of skill to share with others. Unfortunately, humans were given a mouth to express their woe's, thats what we do best. Some politicians do it rather well!  Making a film is the result of endless meetings and heated debates with like minded souls all seeking to exchange skills that can be used and perhaps valued by others. Expressing an opinion is a luxury in many countries.

Rita  ( now where did I put that 70mm projector)

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> On 28 Nov 2015, at 21:32, Andrew Overtoom <overtoom at mac.com> wrote:
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> Colcam, we are looking forward to see your film, done the "right" way!  Until then I will have to be content with Tarantino's cheap and easy version :)
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> Sent from where I am, to where you are... through a series of tubes
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>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, colcam at aim.com wrote:
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>> Modification of a camera body to accept older lenses means they took the CHEAP WAY OUT not something they believed in, they just settled for the cheapest way to do it.  Price new lenses, or even modification of several lenses to fit existing body types.  Modification of a body is cheaper than modification of one lens.
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>> The look you froth over is what happens when large chunks of film are scanned at extreme high resolution and then processed through a full digital suite-- you are worshiping film strained through a digital intermediate to tweak colors and contrast.  That is how you get that great, snappy color, not some magical old lens and film stock being super duper stuff of all stuff. 
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>> It is marketing being used to sell tickets, the image on the screen is an afterthought. 
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>> Panavision believed in it enough to modify a camera to accept the older lenses that hadn't been used since 1965. That has to count for something. So even if it is a resurrection it functions.....no? 
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